Guest Richard Bergman Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) ah now i see male group harmonies are not soul ..cant see any trees let alone any woods and i am shocked at the ammount of blatant flirting going on here ..get a room mr bicknell for your group fingy link Yes group harmonies are soul - very much - but the statement was in relation to the Rockmasters and evidence of doo-wop on the record This is the typical soul source way , to take something out of context away from the thread in question and to invent a moral highground for yourself Edited June 16, 2005 by Richard Bergman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Some fave r'n'b's didn't see mentioned above that over here play happily at northern do's: Barbara Trent - A woman was made for a man (same label but way rarer) link Defo a funk record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 And that really fast stomper one that me & Karen like with the line that goes "Does She Love You Like I Do" - can someone please tell what that is called? I'm always blasted when people tell me and can never remember it Jamie link Yes, can someone please tell us the name and singer, have been told before but like Jamie find it hard to remember what I have been told Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Stuart T Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 coconut clip-clop banjo music link I like a bit of CCCBM myself. Christ, I'm going to get a tattoo with that on. Will it hurt though? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) Yes, can someone please tell us the name and singer, have been told before but like Jamie find it hard to remember what I have been told link The Primers, How Does It Grab You came to my mind spouse #3, but that's about as likely to get a mention on this thread as Clean Up the Ghetto. Edited June 16, 2005 by Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pomonkey Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Barbara Trent - A woman was made for a man (same label but way rarer) Not a funk record my friend, although since I played it as a cover up down the phone a few yrs ago to a couple of UK funk dj's, one of whom posts here, who were looking for Heartbreak Hotel thinking it was rare just to let them know they still had a lot to learn, when they eventually tracked down it got played by them at funk nights. But it's an r'n'b / jazz vocal, she actually gets second billing on the label to the Richie Corbin Trio who were the jazz combo whose record it actually is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Yes, can someone please tell us the name and singer, have been told before but like Jamie find it hard to remember what I have been told link Karen, just spent last hour with Joe sending me files still no luck! He thinks we imagined it. Who played it when we danced to it? was it Butch??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I like a bit of CCCBM myself. Christ, I'm going to get a tattoo with that on. Will it hurt though? link Depends where you have it old chap Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Barbara Trent - A woman was made for a man (same label but way rarer) Not a funk record my friend, although since I played it as a cover up down the phone a few yrs ago to a couple of UK funk dj's, one of whom posts here, who were looking for Heartbreak Hotel thinking it was rare just to let them know they still had a lot to learn, when they eventually tracked down it got played by them at funk nights. But it's an r'n'b / jazz vocal, she actually gets second billing on the label to the Richie Corbin Trio who were the jazz combo whose record it actually is. link Could I have a soundfile please??? Ta, Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest becky c Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 The Primers, How Does It Grab You came to my mind spouse #3, but that's about as likely to get a mention on this thread as Clean Up the Ghetto. link came to my mind too hubby. you both got up to boogy to it (think sat night??), but i'm afraid i opted to just sit and sing. Bec Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest becky c Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Like you said though squire (Dave), not very likely in these here parts. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dave, That record in you're aviator (Trini Lopez)- Is that an R&B track - the only track I know on the label (Great graphics) is Jay Lewis - Love is Real. I can't stop playing it out - though its not for a northern club. any chance of a sound clip? Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dave, That record in you're aviator (Trini Lopez)- Is that an R&B track - the only track I know on the label (Great graphics) is Jay Lewis - Love is Real. I can't stop playing it out - though its not for a northern club. any chance of a sound clip? Simon link Me i would like to hear it too!bit of a triny fan especialy the funny noises!,got him doing 25miles with nancy sinatra..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Karen, just spent last hour with Joe sending me files still no luck! He thinks we imagined it. Who played it when we danced to it? was it Butch??? link No idea Jamie, all I can say is that I have heard it a lot, maybe next time we see Mr Dog we can sing it to him, I bet he will no it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 hmmmm Jazz. Trini Lopez did a fair album full of R&B/Soul tracks... Imaginatively called - The R&B Album. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dave, That record in you're aviator (Trini Lopez)- Is that an R&B track - the only track I know on the label (Great graphics) is Jay Lewis - Love is Real. I can't stop playing it out - though its not for a northern club. any chance of a sound clip? Simon link Is it sinner not a saint? if so its brill Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 One record I can't see the appeal of is... Barbara Dane - I'm On My Way link dreadful record get it the f*** off my scene, how the f*** is that a dancer, the record just about stops midway. lets get back to basics Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Barbara Trent - A woman was made for a man (same label but way rarer) Not a funk record my friend, although since I played it as a cover up down the phone a few yrs ago to a couple of UK funk dj's, one of whom posts here, who were looking for Heartbreak Hotel thinking it was rare just to let them know they still had a lot to learn, when they eventually tracked down it got played by them at funk nights. But it's an r'n'b / jazz vocal, she actually gets second billing on the label to the Richie Corbin Trio who were the jazz combo whose record it actually is. link Well I can see how it makes appeal on both scenes, and I have to say I enjoy both types of music, but I'd call it more funk than RnB....but hell, does it matter....great sound. And it seems as if you may have played a hand in us hearing it for the first time, so good on ya I posted earlier about a funk DJ having Jimmy Robbins in his box...what do you make of that one then? Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dave, That record in you're aviator (Trini Lopez)- Is that an R&B track - the only track I know on the label (Great graphics) is Jay Lewis - Love is Real. I can't stop playing it out - though its not for a northern club. any chance of a sound clip? Simon link You can find it on soulclub.org mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) Dave, have you got the Primers or Barbara Trent soundfiles so I can eliminate them from our enquiries?? Ta everso. J Edited June 16, 2005 by Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Like you said though squire (Dave), not very likely in these here parts. link Right enough Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) Is it sinner not a saint? if so its brill link Just seemed apt today, somehow Edited June 16, 2005 by Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I really do wonder sometimes if people on this forum listen to the same record(s) as I do The above track is laden with so much harmony and group dynamics that it could easily be (and too a larger extent is) doo-wop and I think your ignorance of this fact shows how blinkered and unreasonably precious you guys are - The phrase wood for the trees mean anything ?? link "COULD easily be, or to a larger extent IS doo wop",... make your mind up! So much harmony and group dynamics!,.. what like The Temps, Four Tops, Empires, Voltaires, Dramatics, Appreciations,.......I could go on but I might slip on the leaves! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
simonb Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 You can find it on soulclub.org mate link Thanks Dave, I like the track, but its got a pop edge. Do you know the Jay Lewis - Love is Real on the same label? Fantastic heavy club R&B, worth a listen if you're open to R&B. Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dave, have you got the Primers or Barbara Trent soundfiles so I can eliminate them from our enquiries?? Ta everso. J link Got both mate...might take me a while to find and send em though. I'll send them by email if you pm it to me....seems to work better that way Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Thanks Dave, I like the track, but its got a pop edge. Do you know the Jay Lewis - Love is Real on the same label? Fantastic heavy club R&B, worth a listen if you're open to R&B. Simon link Hmmm...SNAS sounds better "in context", i.e. played out and played loud if you know what I mean And yes, I like the Jay Lewis Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Yes group harmonies are soul - very much - but the statement was in relation to the Rockmasters and evidence of doo-wop on the record This is the typical soul source way , to take something out of context away from the thread in question and to invent a moral highground for yourself link Your 'evidence' was group harmonies and group dynamics. Let's not fall out over it, you think it's doo wop, I think it's Soul. Nothing out of context there. It's only opinions, no right or wrongs, just opinions. A.T.B. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 dreadful record get it the f*** off my scene, how the f*** is that a dancer, the record just about stops midway. lets get back to basics link I thought my measly contribution to this thread had been overlooked. How about the following records with regards to the original post on this topic?? Syl Johnson - Try Me Big Joe Turner - Two Loves Have I Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rbman Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Ray Charles - I Chose To Sing The Blues - ABC Ray Charles - I Don't Need No Doctor - ABC Ray Charles - Something Inside Me - ABC Gladys Tyler - Little Bitty Girl - Decca Gladys Tyler - Mr Green, Mrs Green - Decca Little Milton - Sometimey - Checker Little Milton - If Walls Could Talk - Checker Z.Z Hill - No More Doggin' - Kent Lowell Fulsom - My Aching Back - Kent Lowell Fulsom - Talking Woman - Kent Jimmy Robins - Shine It On - 20th Century Buddy Ace - True Love Money Can't Buy - Duke Bobby Bland - Lover With A Reputation - Duke Bobby Bland - Getting Used To The Blues - Duke ......off the top of my head Loads more where these came from. link All a good part of my play box! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Heres mine........... PEGGY PAXTON ........"IT AINT WHAT I DO"....PAULA LOWELL FULSOM......"TALKIN' WOMAN"........KENT JAMES CARR......."ONLY FOOLS RUN AWAY"...GOLDWAX RAY CHARLES..."I DONT NEED NO DOCTOR"...ABC DONTELLS..."IN YOUR HEART"...................VEE JAY TEMPTATIONS......"SLOW DOWN HEART"....GORDY BIG DADDY ROGERS,,,,,"IM A BIG MAN".......MIDAS A.C REED "MY BABYS BEEN CHEATING"....COOL LITTLE WALTER..."MY BABE".....CHECKER DEREK MARTIN..."IF YOU GO"......SUE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Makemvinyl Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Good point Shane...so easy to go off thread Well starting with my list how many would be in yours? I'm happy to remove "Sweeter...." but my ears and feet tell me that The Champion is RnB and not "Bollocks" link ClassChampion as r n b then u have to incorporate,DRIVING BEAT, EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT,BUSTER BROWN,20/75,SOUL SERENADE,AND anything else that came out of the HI records studio in MEMPHIS,ANN PEEBLES,AL GREEN,SYL JOHNSON,too name a few, The Champion out and out pop/soul hammered in the 70's rejected in the 60's as not dance floor freindly, ,doo wop,rock n roll,add th this then the following record Beggin for your love Eldridge Holmes raw harmonica great vocals,what do I class this as Music for the ear of the listener/dancer its your own choice no matter what crosses over Doug Edited June 17, 2005 by MAKEMVINYL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dave, that avatar of yours, a copy of Trini Lopez "Sinner Not A Saint" on DRA ... I've never seen it on that label! Fantastic tune in my opinion. My US copy is on United Modern. It apparently also got some euro and UK issues. What's the catalogue number on your DRA copy? Trini's other 45 on DRA is from 1961, and the United Modern issue is from 1965 so I guess that the DRA copy is the original. Any info would be nice. By the way, love Jessie Mae's "Don't Freeze On Me" on DRA, nice storming piece of r&b. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Dave, that avatar of yours, a copy of Trini Lopez "Sinner Not A Saint" on DRA ... I've never seen it on that label! Fantastic tune in my opinion. My US copy is on United Modern. It apparently also got some euro and UK issues. What's the catalogue number on your DRA copy? Trini's other 45 on DRA is from 1961, and the United Modern issue is from 1965 so I guess that the DRA copy is the original. Any info would be nice. By the way, love Jessie Mae's "Don't Freeze On Me" on DRA, nice storming piece of r&b. link DRA- 7017- 1.....Promo. Flip is Where Can My Baby Be. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I don't wanna bin the whole R n B thing as there are some superb records, but so much of it is pants to my ears and sounds like Vic Reeves doing his pub singer thing............"Eeeef a ewe dun currrrmmm........weeealll........ewed bitta curlll.........." Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I don't wanna bin the whole R n B thing as there are some superb records, but so much of it is pants to my ears and sounds like Vic Reeves doing his pub singer thing............"Eeeef a ewe dun currrrmmm........weeealll........ewed bitta curlll.........." link HAAAAAAALV LUUUUURVE...........WILL TRAVEEEEEEEL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest the dukester Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 What are your top ten RnB records that have crossed over to be Northern Soul floor fillers? NOT TEN JUST ONE CLYDE MC PHATTER - LOVE YOU TILL THE COWS COME HOME -MERCURY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Crossed over??!!! This stuff should be crossed out, scratched, deleted, trashed, binned..........it ain't soul...........jeez! it ain't even Northern..............it's horrible........I'd rather hear the old pop stompers than this..............bring back Kiki Dee.............Barbara Redd, Betty O'Brien, Larry Trider, Pearl Woods................leave it where it belongs..........with the Teds and the Mods (my brother and sister were Mods in the 60s.....they would have laughed at most of this crap)................why can't there be more decent 70s stuff played (there's so much good stuff) instead of scraping the barrel for this grim material??!! ..................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 as i have said before I would rather hear good rnb than wishy washy 70s or soul sam disco stuff. How come rnb gets a real slating on here but the barrel scraping modern being played gets away with it? You also have to remember that this is a dance scene therefore it doesnt have to be ultra-soulful to be played. All these people who knock rnb and crave more soulful stuff constantly praise the likes of the mello souls which isnt that soulful at all. They were a white garage band if i am right? They sound like one for deffo! I would like to add that I am not the biggest fan of rnb but i do frequent the rnb rooms quite regular due to the circles I mix in. I can admire the quality being played in there and if you take the time to listen many will be surprised how good it can be. You will also see the better dancers in these rooms rather than the slow-motion shuffling 70's fans. imo of course. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Richard Bergman Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Your 'evidence' was group harmonies and group dynamics. Let's not fall out over it, you think it's doo wop, I think it's Soul. Nothing out of context there. It's only opinions, no right or wrongs, just opinions. A.T.B. link No mate it's just healthy discussion and as you state there only opinions at the end of the day who knows what makes a record fall into certain genres anyway and is there any way of being 110 % sure anyway It's good to be questioning others we'd all be in Wetherspoon's imitating the Crazy Frog !!! Ps - it's a bloody ace record and is up on Pat Brady's site now for £300 Speak soon Richard Bergman Edited June 17, 2005 by Richard Bergman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) How come rnb gets a real slating on here but the barrel scraping modern being played gets away with it? link have to agree with you on this shane. i do love some of the soulful 70's stuff but most of the things that hit 'BIG' are not half as good as a bit of good ol' R&B dont know why alot of people knock it, proberly because its more gritty/dirty kind of sound and can we PLEASE call it R&S rhythm & soul Edited June 17, 2005 by Baz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 as i have said before I would rather hear good rnb than wishy washy 70s or soul sam disco stuff. How come rnb gets a real slating on here but the barrel scraping modern being played gets away with it? You also have to remember that this is a dance scene therefore it doesnt have to be ultra-soulful to be played. All these people who knock rnb and crave more soulful stuff constantly praise the likes of the mello souls which isnt that soulful at all. They were a white garage band if i am right? They sound like one for deffo! I would like to add that I am not the biggest fan of rnb but i do frequent the rnb rooms quite regular due to the circles I mix in. I can admire the quality being played in there and if you take the time to listen many will be surprised how good it can be. You will also see the better dancers in these rooms rather than the slow-motion shuffling 70's fans. imo of course. Shane link I'd rather hear wishy washy soul sam 7t's stuff than all that red kneck, barn dancing, rock'a'billy, pub singer, dolly pardon , vic reeves sound alike shit any day!....... 95% of it is SHIT..........it's teddy boy be-bop pony. It's only Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) I'd rather hear wishy washy soul sam 7t's stuff than all that red kneck, barn dancing, rock'a'billy, pub singer, dolly pardon , vic reeves sound alike shit any day!....... 95% of it is SHIT..........it's teddy boy be-bop pony. It's only link see alot of people here one bad R&S ( ) record and tent to tarnish all R&S ( )with the same brush and visa versa with modern/crossover. this is what i was on about the pigeon holeing thing on this thread. you cant say all R&S is shit you must have danced to doug banks in your time not aimed at you remus as you say you like 5% it just seams to be the norm now adays Edited June 17, 2005 by Baz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well said John...................YEEHAW!! Ewe shaow gort a purtty mowth boy..........................keep it in the Teddy Boy rooms. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) see alot of people here one bad R&S ( ) record and tent to tarnish all R&S ( )with the same brush and visa versa with modern/crossover. this is what i was on about the pigeon holeing thing on this thread. you cant say all R&S is shit you must have danced to doug banks in your time  not aimed at you remus as you say you like 5% it just seams to be the norm now adays link baz mate, you might as well aim it at remus cos I would Thanks Remus, you confirmed what I was trying to say mate Shane ps I am also glad to hear that Soultown Andy, Andy Dyson and the rest of the forerunners of the upfront soul brigade are adding a good RnB room to their future ventures. This will be provided by Backbeat, the forerunners of the rnb scene. Edited June 17, 2005 by ShaneH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 you must have danced to doug banks in your time link I am pleased and proud to say, I have never danced to Doug Banks, nor will I. Frankly, I would rather dance to Barclays Bank..................it's less embarrassing. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Soultown andy Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Have to confess was a not always an r n b fan but spent a lot of time at the backbeat niters,listening to djs like joe dutton big hoss etc not all to my likeing but some of it not bad at all,havein said that i like the wishy washy 70s stuff sam plays which is why soultown prides itself on being a truly across the board niter.Think i will stay out of this thread now,back to you shane by the way cant wait for the greatstone m8 . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 I am pleased and proud to say, I have never danced to Doug Banks, nor will I. Frankly, I would rather dance to Barclays Bank..................it's less embarrassing. link well that's your loss sir personly i think its a great record and one that first go me into the rare soul scene Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) You will never change the opinion of Blinkered 'Northern' fans... The same people that cry out at R&B being played are always the first ones to rush to the floor when something like Mickie Champion or The Five Royales are spun. They don't understand R&B, so they automaticaly dislike it as it is 'different' (Until they've heard it 50 times and it gets under their skin). At the end of the day, 60 R&B has much more in common with the 60s Stompers than any of the mid-late 70s proto Disco and 'Modern' Soul that DJs like Soul Sam spin - same artists, same backing groups, same production values. There are many records that get spun under the name 'R&B' that I personaly dislike (more often than not white pop artists with the right beat), but the good tracks far outnumber the poor. I don't dislike Modern Soul, I just cannot hack music that is directionless, meandering and without 'oomph!' Tracks like: The Pioneers - My Good Friend James Kenny Thomas - Crazy World Lisa Stansfield...... and so on..... Edited June 17, 2005 by pikeys dog Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 as i have said before I would rather hear good rnb than wishy washy 70s or soul sam disco stuff. How come rnb gets a real slating on here but the barrel scraping modern being played gets away with it? You also have to remember that this is a dance scene therefore it doesnt have to be ultra-soulful to be played. All these people who knock rnb and crave more soulful stuff constantly praise the likes of the mello souls which isnt that soulful at all. They were a white garage band if i am right? They sound like one for deffo! I would like to add that I am not the biggest fan of rnb but i do frequent the rnb rooms quite regular due to the circles I mix in. I can admire the quality being played in there and if you take the time to listen many will be surprised how good it can be. You will also see the better dancers in these rooms rather than the slow-motion shuffling 70's fans. imo of course. Shane link Good post that Shane....thought I'd just say that before the soul police call for reinforcements now you've called into question the fashionable 70s disco and background music Funny you should mention the Mello Souls. A good record, but would it have had the acclaim if it had been less rare and expensive? I must say there is not the preoccupation with rarity, cost and who's playing the record on the R&B front that there seems to be in the up-front scene. I think you are also right that most people go to R&B nights to dance, rather than stroke their chins regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 At the end of the day, 60 R&B has much more in common with the 60s Stompers than any of the mid-late 70s proto Disco and 'Modern' Soul that DJs like Soul Sam spin - same artists, same backing groups, same production values. link Spot on Joe,spot on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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