Top Ten Rnb Crossover

[Rbman]

isn't

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[Guest Baz]

arnt they all R&B, the futures got into the R&B charts and that sounds nothing like any of the records mentioned

[chrissie]

Is

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Can you keep this thread going till next week, more exciting watching you boys out to play than watching Wimbledon. Can't join in cos I know naff all about it but keep going

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[Guest Jamie]

I'm with Pete Smith on this one.

A ) The were all predominently played on the 'Northern' scene years ago. OK, there are a few on the list that are pretty recent finds/plays a la Big Daddy Rogers (didn't that cross over from the Mod scene to Northern??) that were broken by DJ's championing that type of sound. There weren't R&B genre specific clubs when stuff like Valentinos, Mickie Champion, Willie Mitchell were played.

They were all played under the banner of 'Northern' at 'Northern Clubs'

B ) So you can't now tell us that they are R&B and have 'crossed over' to the Northern scene. It just defies logic.

And don't get me started on 'Deep Funk' crossing over into Northern

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[Guest]

hello mate

there in my play box yes, though not a plug for blocked

are you coming along then ?

free entry from 9 - 10

RBman will be stomping to loverrrly Northern Soul & maybe a bit of RnB at Solid Hit Soul on saturday - Vivos 17 Watling Street London EC4

With Special Guest Keith Woon plus resident bods, unless he has a late change of mind & stays in to watch Celebrity love island thingy (but I doubt it )

Classic oldies to underplayed excellence !

Dave G

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[Guest Baz]

for me this scean would be alot better, if we stopped pigeon holing every single record that gets a play if its sounds good and soulful play it no arguments

[Guest Jamie]

for me this scean would be alot better, if we stopped pigeon holing every single record that gets a play   if its sounds good and soulful play it no arguments

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Wise words

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[chrissie]

for me this scean would be alot better, if we stopped pigeon holing every single record that gets a play   if its sounds good and soulful play it no arguments

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Now that is something I can comment on - I agree (as long as it's not modern )

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[Rbman]

I'm with Pete Smith on this one.

A ) The were all predominently played on the 'Northern' scene years ago. OK, there are a few on the list that are pretty recent finds/plays a la Big Daddy Rogers (didn't that cross over form the Mod scene to Northern??) that were broken by DJ's championing that type of sound. There weren't R&B genre specific clubs when stuff like Valentinos, Mickie Champion, Willie Mitchell were played.

They were all played under the banner of 'Northern' at 'Northern Clubs'

B ) So you can't now tell us that they are R&B and have 'crossed over' to the Northern scene. It just defies logic.

And don't get me started on 'Deep Funk' crossing over into Northern

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Very fair points...... all called R&B in the States before they were tagged Northern Soul over here. I should have asked "what are your top 10 RnB records that you like to hear in a main Northern Room".....(if any)

[Pete S]

for me this scean would be alot better, if we stopped pigeon holing every single record that gets a play   if its sounds good and soulful play it no arguments

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What have you got against pigeons then?

[Guest]

Very fair points...... all called R&B in the States before they were tagged Northern Soul over here.

On that premise most records played on the Northern Scene should be called RnB then.

Now where do we go ?

BTW, hello to Kens cat.

[Pete S]

This is him, Ken has an idetical hat and they wear them when they go out together for walks

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[Guest rachel]

Big Daddy Rogers (didn't that cross over from the Mod scene to Northern??)

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Oh no don't start that debate again.... There are soul DJs who claim they played it first and there are mod DJs who claim they did.

[Guest Jamie]

Very fair points...... all called R&B in the States before they were tagged Northern Soul over here.  I should have asked  "what are your top 10 RnB records that you like to hear in a main Northern Room".....(if any)

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It's nice to reason with someone for a change

I like:

Ted Taylor - Somebodys Always Trying

Mickie Champion - What Good Am I

Mack Starr - Down By The Waterhole

Rex Garvin - Sock It To Em JB (CHEESE )

And that really fast stomper one that me & Karen like with the line that goes "Does She Love You Like I Do" - can someone please tell what that is called?

I'm always blasted when people tell me and can never remember it

Jamie

[Guest]

It's nice to reason with someone for a change

Shane, has Jamie loaned you his spine ?

[Guest ShaneH]

I wouldnt like to get rid of the pigeon-holing. Soul is so vast you have to seperate it some how when discussing, buying, selling etc.

the name-tags for soul will never cease.

Shane

[Guest Jamie]

Just showing respect to someone who answered a post reasonably

You big git

[Guest]

I wouldnt like to get rid of the pigeon-holing. Soul is so vast you have to seperate it some how when discussing, buying, selling etc.

the name-tags for soul will never cease.

Shane

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Sixties and seventies used to be enough. Just add eighties nineties, fifties and no doubt soon thirties and forties. Oh how we danced at the Cotton Club, etc etc etc

[Guest ShaneH]

that picture of kens cat is ace

Ken is the dr dolittle of north london

He's got a hamster that cleans his records

Shane

[Rbman]

Just showing respect to someone who answered a post reasonably 

You big git 

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Sorry for breaking the mould

[Guest ShaneH]

Sixties and seventies used to be enough. Just add eighties nineties, fifties and no doubt soon  thirties and forties. Oh how we danced at the Cotton Club, etc etc etc

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the music is so diverse though and it is growing all the time. Everything needs a name whether we like it or not. You can buy about 50 different types of apple dont tell me....when you was a lad they were either red or green

Shane

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[Pete S]

Oh no don't start that debate again....  There are soul DJs who claim they played it first and there are mod DJs who claim they did.

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Rach I never heard that mentioned or played by any Northern dj's - first time I heard it was at a mod do I somehow found myself at in Hastings...same with Ted Taylor.

[Guest Stuart T]

the music is so diverse though and it is growing all the time. Everything needs a name whether we like it or not. You can buy about 50 different types of apple    dont tell me....when you was a lad they were either red or green 

Shane

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I thought the green ones were reissues done in France?

[Guest Stuart T]

Rach I never heard that mentioned or played by any Northern dj's - first time I heard it was at a mod do I somehow found myself at in Hastings...same with Ted Taylor.

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Big Daddy Rogers was played to death on the mod scene in the eighties. Was surprised on getting back into northern soul in 97 to find those two being played. Charles Sheffield was also played by one DJ back then, but never knew what it was at the time. But best place to buy the records was down the 100 Club off northern soul dealers.

[Guest]

the music is so diverse though and it is growing all the time. Everything needs a name whether we like it or not. You can buy about 50 different types of apple    dont tell me....when you was a lad they were either red or green 

Shane

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Started off by shifty record dealers who didn't want to put slow, white pop, disco,

deep or fcking rubbish, on the sleeves in their sales boxes, to sell them to unsuspecting punters.

50 types but they nearly all taste the same these days.

And when I was a lad, you could hear the pips rattle in a Coxs orange pippin.

[Dave]

I didn't say The Champion was bollocks, I said your assumption that it could be classed as R&B is bollocks, and it is!

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Tend to agree Pete, but That Driving Beat falls the other side of the line.

Isn't the point though that all these tunes were accepted happily on the Northern scene, Jimmy Robbins being a good example, until somebody decided to label them R&B.....then all of a sudden there are people that don't like em any more!

BTW I recently discovered that Jimmy Robbins is in some funk DJ's play boxes

Discuss!

Dave

[Guest]

I thought the green ones were reissues done in France?

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[Guest Baz]

What have you got against pigeons then? 

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apart from they carry over 63 diseases and are vermin nothing

[Pete S]

apart from they carry over 63 diseases and are vermin nothing

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Fair enough :graynone:

[Dave]

I'm with Pete Smith on this one.

A ) The were all predominently played on the 'Northern' scene years ago. OK, there are a few on the list that are pretty recent finds/plays a la Big Daddy Rogers (didn't that cross over from the Mod scene to Northern??) that were broken by DJ's championing that type of sound. There weren't R&B genre specific clubs when stuff like Valentinos, Mickie Champion, Willie Mitchell were played.

They were all played under the banner of 'Northern' at 'Northern Clubs'

B ) So you can't now tell us that they are R&B and have 'crossed over' to the Northern scene. It just defies logic.

And don't get me started on 'Deep Funk' crossing over into Northern

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Sorry Jamie, have just duplicated this cos I hadn't noticed there were two pages

Now then, about this deep funk ....surely it's the other way round?

Dave.

BTW I played your record to a funk crowd last weekend...

[Guest Baz]

I wouldnt like to get rid of the pigeon-holing. Soul is so vast you have to seperate it some how when discussing, buying, selling etc.

the name-tags for soul will never cease.

Shane

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i didnt mean get rid of it. You just find that some people will hate a record befor they have even herd it, some one will say i hate that R&B shit, then five mins later there jumping in a montain of talc saying i love this one or visa versa with modern ect. thats how i ment it, i mean if your looking through a box! oh like the look of that one, ask the dealer whats it like. replies er well its soul................. you need to define sounds yes

[Guest Jamie]

Sorry Jamie, have just duplicated this cos I hadn't noticed there were two pages

Now then, about this deep funk ....surely it's the other way round?

Dave.

BTW I played your record to a funk crowd last weekend...

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Nice one Dave, and the reaction???

[Dave]

Nice one Dave, and the reaction??? 

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Enthusiastic mate!

They don't seem to have pre-conceived ideas...they just get on and dance to good tunes, whether they know them or not.

Also played Black Nasty and Clean Up the Ghetto...seemed to like them as well!

(Baz referred to it as "that sort of ...STUFF" )

Dave

[Guest Baz]

Enthusiastic mate!

They don't seem to have pre-conceived ideas...they just get on and dance to good tunes, whether they know them or not.

Also played Black Nasty and Clean Up the Ghetto...seemed to like them as well!

(Baz referred to it as "that sort of ...STUFF"   )

Dave

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trying not to pigeon hole there you see dave

[Rbman]

and Clean Up the Ghetto...seemed to like them as well!

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I sold a copy of that at Prestatyn this year.....

[Dave]

    trying not to pigeon hole there you see dave

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You just couldn't think of a category, could you?

[Guest Baz]

You just couldn't think of a category, could you?

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well it was the day after

[Little-stevie]

for me this scean would be alot better, if we stopped pigeon holing every single record that gets a play   if its sounds good and soulful play it no arguments

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Very good point Baz..Who gives a flying fu"k,i've seen all the boxes ticked in the same venue in one room and thats how i like it...

Wilson Pickett. is a great tune for me Its not shite like others have said,maybe they can't dance to it ..Each to there own as they say..

[Dave]

Very good point Baz..Who gives a flying fu"k,i've seen all the boxes ticked in the same venue in one room and thats how i like it...

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Well said bruv

So we'll be hearing some grinding tunes alongside the gentle stuff on the 2nd, will we?

[Mark Bicknell]

Oh no don't start that debate again....  There are soul DJs who claim they played it first and there are mod DJs who claim they did.

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Not saying i discovered this record coz i did'nt but i did champion the record way back at the original Keele allnighters years ago, bought this off the late Pete Lawson for £15.00 so there it's my fault...lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Guest ShaneH]

Well said bruv

So we'll be hearing some grinding tunes alongside the gentle stuff on the 2nd, will we?

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well said?

......and then he calls it 'grinding' & 'gentle'

not picking on you dave but some are missing the point about name-tagging the different genres. I aint got a clue what my mate stevie cato is saying to be honest

This discussion isnt about what should be played and where its about the different names for the different styles. Imagine trying to describe a record without using words

Shane

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[Guest]

Imagine trying to describe a record without using words

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And your point is

[Guest ShaneH]

easy that steve

what i am trying to say is that things have to be pigeon-holed to help us talk about it more efficiently. easy!

Shane

[Guest rachel]

Imagine trying to describe a record without using words 

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Dancing Instead of telling potential buyers it's "R&B" etc, you could demonstrate to them what sort of dance you can do to each record...

[Guest ShaneH]

Dancing  Instead of telling potential buyers it's "R&B" etc, you could demonstrate to them what sort of dance you can do to each record... 

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[Dave]

well said?

......and then he calls it 'grinding' & 'gentle' 

not picking on you dave but some are missing the point about name-tagging the different genres. I aint got a clue what my mate stevie cato is saying to be honest 

This discussion isnt about what should be played and where its about the different names for the different styles. Imagine trying to describe a record without using words 

Shane

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Sorry Shane,

I thought Steve meant that different sorts of record can find a place in the same room regardless of the description.

That's what I meant anyway, rather than one should not describe them in a certain way.....though as I posted earlier I do find the R&B/soul argument a bit academic

I'm not sure if I've made that very clear....hope so....don't want to stray off topic

Dave

[Guest]

easy that steve 

what i am trying to say is that things have to be pigeon-holed to help us talk about it more efficiently. easy!

Shane

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AAAh talking. Using words in fact.

Marcel Marceau

[Guest ShaneH]

Sorry Shane,

I thought Steve meant that different sorts of record can find a place in the same room regardless of the description.

That's what I meant anyway, rather than one should not describe them in a certain way.....though as I posted earlier I do find the R&B/soul argument a bit academic 

I'm not sure if I've made that very clear....hope so....don't want to stray off topic

Dave

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let you off dave. whats happening this saturday? I was considering the greatstone or maybe the willington one. never been to either.

shane

[Guest]

let you off dave. whats happening this saturday? I was considering the greatstone or maybe the willington one. never been to either.

shane

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off topic