Guest Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Just noticed that a mint copy of Little Tommy closed yesterday at only 822 USD which equals about only 500 UKP. Now as this used to be an impossible want for me from 1988 when I first heard it till when I got what must have been one of the very first copies of this tune that went thru ebay around 1999/2000 this is to me just one example of 45s that used to carry the tag "impossible", "too expensive" etc which over the years and because of ebay really seem to have become much more widely available and because of that defnitely have lost their so-called stardom of being" impossibles" or "only for the choosen few" etc. Some still demand a high price others not. I am sure current economic situation plays its part but I am not so much interested in decreased values and prices in general anyway in this thread, I am much more interested in records that people were thinkin were actually "really rare" but ebay or the net in general prooved them/us wrong. I am starting off with Little Tommy and will add Jackey Beavers "I Need My Baby" and of course the infamous Clara Hardy on Tuna. I am sure there are loads of other titels to be added...anyone ? Marc You dont need e bay - they did this with Betty Lloyd and Vince Apollo before we even had computers ! This month I have bought a Dean Courtney (love) you just cant walk away / Glen Miller - where is the love / George Freeman - Down and out (for the third time)/ Velvelettes - lonley loney girl am .................. less than 300 quid for the lot Imagine that 5 years ago mate ???? Sorry but rare record prices are on a big downturn price wise and the more desirable bits are becoming available to scum like me - same as houses ! cause it was all over inflated bollocks in the first place ! Too fucking bad ! When I loose my Job I will sell all my shit aswell ! Peace ! Edited June 10, 2009 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 only if you are in the know obviously..who ,where and when?? until Im offered one I one it will take it as BS gasher Is this true that someone has found 15 copys of George Pepp ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 only if you are in the know obviously..who ,where and when?? until Im offered one I one it will take it as BS gasher Is this true that someone has found 15 copys of George Pepp ? That was a joke ! Sorry Gash ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest wrighty Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 royal esquires? or did that just turn up en masse pre ebay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 royal esquires? or did that just turn up en masse pre ebay can't believe we got onto page 2 befoire that was mentioned lets add Fred Hymes as well then. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Reed Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 sam williams on tower is in ebay a lot but price still remian high so prehaps not for the list just yet. Slightly off thread but, this is another tower release which has a great northern side coupled with a wonderful deep flip. "Lets Talk It Over" is fabulous Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Helena Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Tommy & The Derbys on Swing Lil' Major Williams both labels Though mostly seen in rough condition (goes for both Tommy & Lil Major). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) "So are these records now considered to be not really that good anymore, or to a certain extent frowned upon as a few copies have turned up?" If that is whats being suggested then its a very sad day and only proves that people want these records as trophies as opposed to actually liking them - heaven forbid! And putting records like the Tranells in a list with things that have OBVIOUSLY turned up in LARGE quantity (ie Clara Hardy) doesn't make sense either. Lets get a grip practically all of the records mentioned here are in no way easy to come buy, and certainly not cheap! I doubt the proles will be wandering around with pockets stuffed full of Tranells & Magnetics..... Surely ebay would have to be saturated before we can say a previously super rare records can no longer be considered rare any more, and therefore supposedly a bit shit? Edited June 10, 2009 by mulf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Has tolbert been mentioned Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Boogaloo Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Carbon Copies - sold my granny to get that and there's been 3 in the last year Groovettes And now I see there's yet another bloody Eddie Parker for sale on ebay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Carbon Copies - sold my granny to get that and there's been 3 in the last year Groovettes And now I see there's yet another bloody Eddie Parker for sale on ebay Still a Steve G want Warren Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Slightly off thread but, this is another tower release which has a great northern side coupled with a wonderful deep flip. "Lets Talk It Over" is fabulous yep and it also came out on another label Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Tommy & The Derbys on Swing Lil' Major Williams both labels Though mostly seen in rough condition (goes for both Tommy & Lil Major). I am not so sure on Tommy & The Derbys as I recall only four copies on ebay which doesn`t make it really de-rarified in comparison to say the 30 plus copies we have seen of Joe Jama ? Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Has tolbert been mentioned not so sure on that one, two maybe three over all the years ? Same goes for Buddy Cantrell, maybe four-five including three from the very same dealer who didn`t had any more left to sell...doesn`t really make it a de-rarified item, does it ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Helena Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) I am not so sure on Tommy & The Derbys as I recall only four copies on ebay which doesn`t make it really de-rarified in comparison to say the 30 plus copies we have seen of Joe Jama ? Marc But it's a more recent hype and look at the rate... there's one on ebay every week it seems and it's steadily decreasing in price. Soon will have outnumbered Joe Jama. Sorry Marc.. Edited June 10, 2009 by Helena Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Chico Lamarr... ....Magnetics - Ra-sel Chico Lamarr Eric Mercury Groovettes Devotions Volumes on Karen Tranells Andy Fisher Magnetics - Ra-sel Not so sure on the above I must say...can`t recall having seen more than say four to six of each of the above (some only two or three) in mint minus condition going thru ebay over the years ? Marc Edited June 10, 2009 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Didn't realise there had been 30 copie sof Joe Jama! I still don't have one tho About six LT's came from one guy from Virginia about four or five years ago. Then another couple appeared from the same area under a different seller I think? Also, a few Ray & The Blue Satins have started to appear on ebay, but again, still a very hard record to obtain. One that defintely seems to have retained super hard rarity is The Nomads...has it ever been for sale on ebay? (my Popsike membership has run out!) Edited June 10, 2009 by mulf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 not so sure on that one, two maybe three over all the years ? Same goes for Buddy Cantrell, maybe four-five including three from the very same dealer who didn`t had any more left to sell...doesn`t really make it a de-rarified item, does it ? Ok maybe your right on just ebay sales , as Wrighty just mentioned . But certainly more copies have turned up via multiple sources Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) But it's a more recent hype and look at the rate... there's one on ebay every week it seems and it's steadily decreasing in price. Soon will have outnumbered Joe Jama. alright then fair enough, lets include this 45 into the list... Little Tommy SOS Jackey Beavers "I Need My Baby" Clara Hardy on Tuna Dwight Franklin Foxie Lila Bill Brandon on Tower Al Williams on Palmer Four Tracks on Mandingo Jimmy Delphs "Dancing A Hole In The World" Demo Georgous George on Peachtree SAGE on HEAD Gene Toones Simco Demo Joe Jama Optimum Montclairs Hey You Jackie Day Naughty Boy Carmelita on Carmen Percy Stone on Ram Cashmeres HEM Cautions No Other Way Troy Dodds Try My Love Royal Esquires (Lil`Major Williams on Palladium) Williams III Sam Williams Tower Arthur Freeman Jumbo and Fame Melvin Davis Ke Ke Lawanda Williams Ke Ke Brooks Bros New Yorkers Jock Mitchell Otis Lee Mary Saxton Jesse Johnson September Jones Jesse Davis - Era Paris Ivorys Celebrities Johnny Mae Mathews Vondells Tommy & The Derbys ...this list keeps on growing and growing...frightning Edited June 10, 2009 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You'd still have some collection on your hands if you owned that little lot tho!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Ok maybe your right on just ebay sales , as Wrighty just mentioned . But certainly more copies have turned up via multiple sources No reason to doubt you. Fair enough then Simon, so we`ll include poor old Buddy Cantrell in our next up date then. Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 No reason to doubt you. Fair enough then Simon, so we`ll include poor old Buddy Cantrell in our next up date then. Marc Richard Lackey and Richard Paradise too please Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Didn't realise there had been 30 copie sof Joe Jama! I still don't have one tho even some more... About six LT's came from one guy from Virginia about four or five years ago. Then another couple appeared from the same area under a different seller I think? LT= Lester Tipton ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Richard Lackey and Richard Paradise too please How many copies of Richard Paradise, I saw only two plus one acetate that resides now in Berlin Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) "LT= Lester Tipton ?" sorry no little tommy, but lets add lester tipton too! what about ralph soul jackson, eula cooper? four voices? locations? Edited June 10, 2009 by mulf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 How many copies of Richard Paradise, I saw only two plus one acetate that resides now in Berlin Butch and Andy had some . Also turned up as an LP and a 12 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 "LT= Lester Tipton ?" sorry no little tommy, but lets add lester tipton too! what about ralph soul jackson, eula cooper? four voices? locations? Hi Mulf, Little Tommy started the whole thread off Lester Tipton is a "sorry but no" as I got it from the seller in eye-to-eye conversation that it was only the two he was given to sell on Ralph Jackson On Soul Kat maybe yes but there have been some bootlegs being sold as originals.. For Voices / Green not that many really ? Locations I would say yes... Any other opinions ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 can't believe we got onto page 2 befoire that was mentioned lets add Fred Hymes as well then. Sure !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) ray pollard shrine? fascinators? these are all amazing records... Edited June 10, 2009 by mulf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 "So are these records now considered to be not really that good anymore, or to a certain extent frowned upon as a few copies have turned up?" If that is whats being suggested then its a very sad day and only proves that people want these records as trophies as opposed to actually liking them - heaven forbid! And putting records like the Tranells in a list with things that have OBVIOUSLY turned up in LARGE quantity (ie Clara Hardy) doesn't make sense either. Lets get a grip practically all of the records mentioned here are in no way easy to come buy, and certainly not cheap! I doubt the proles will be wandering around with pockets stuffed full of Tranells & Magnetics..... Surely ebay would have to be saturated before we can say a previously super rare records can no longer be considered rare any more, and therefore supposedly a bit shit? Good points mate, I suspect their is an attempted talk down of some prices on here to try and get the records they want, I support that heartily if that is the case. And since Magnetics on RaSel is so common, but debatable here, I will bust the bank (still waiting on my Bill Brandon, cmon someone must want to get rid before the next deluge appears) and go to £200, which is £170 more than I paid for my last copy, bloody inflation! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
DtheD Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 re Richard Paradise, Butch and Andy had some . Also turned up as an LP and a 12 I may have inadvertantly misled on the 12"-I called my 5track ep with the 6min+ version a 12", as it looked the same as the eddie owens/billups "old Gold" 12", but I reckon this is what others are calling the album. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Potts Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 there were a couple of copies of georgous george on peachtree on ebay as well a few years ago that seemed to lower the price considerably but I haven't seen one for quite a long time now. what ever hapended to those ? prehaps it was only a small find ? I never got to the bottom of that one. I seem to remember 2 copies of Georgous George & a copy of the Jimmy Church at about the same time. But to put it on this list ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 And as for Bill Brandon on tower, does this mean I can get one for £30 please Here's a rather nice Canadian copy of Bill Brandon...the flipside is awesome Northern (same as the Tower flip). Gotta be rare?! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I may have inadvertantly misled on the 12"-I called my 5track ep with the 6min+ version a 12", as it looked the same as the eddie owens/billups "old Gold" 12", but I reckon this is what others are calling the album. Ahh right , I just noticed it on a search . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Here's a rather nice Canadian copy of Bill Brandon...the flipside is awesome Northern (same as the Tower flip). Gotta be rare?! I saw that on your site recently. Looks good not seen it before until then. I would always go for a US pressing first though if there is one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I seem to remember 2 copies of Georgous George & a copy of the Jimmy Church at about the same time. But to put it on this list ? I think there were more than the 3 you mention. I got 2 of those and remember seeing at least a couple more. but not seen any since so prehaps still very hard to find in both cases. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Here's a rather nice Canadian copy of Bill Brandon...the flipside is awesome Northern (same as the Tower flip). Gotta be rare?! A stack of Tower 45's came out on Sparton in Canada, including Jerry Naylor "City Lights". Very nice indeed. Sean (PS: sell it to me! ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Reed Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Here's a rather nice Canadian copy of Bill Brandon...the flipside is awesome Northern (same as the Tower flip). Gotta be rare?! I saw that on your site recently. Looks good not seen it before until then. I would always go for a US pressing first though if there is one. Has anone ever seen an issue of the tower release, as I've never seen one? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev Cane Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Could be stating the obvious here, but I remember many moons ago, at the birth of the internet, Rod Dearlove stating to the effect of that it would blow the whole thing wide open (record trading). Its certainly made the world substantially smaller so if you consider when you had to buy all of those record collectors magazines (Discoveries etc) and read every word printed in them as to leave no stone unturned in the hope of finding something, now is all you have to do is click a mouse, easier for the seller and the buyer, the result being perhaps far less stuff hidden away. Kev Oh does Bobby Kline "Say something nice" fit the criteria cos I remember a time when there was a few kicking about, or was it the same copies being sold and resold Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 this thread reminds me of a convo i had with Guy H years ago...i said "i must have more knackered 45s than anyone i know"....he said......"no you havent...I HAVE"...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 ray pollard shrine? fascinators? these are all amazing records... FASCINATORS??????????? THIS SURELY HASN`T BEEN ON EBAY IN ANY QUANTITY. I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING DAVE BENTINCK BACKROOM 19TH JUNE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 FASCINATORS??????????? THIS SURELY HASN`T BEEN ON EBAY IN ANY QUANTITY. I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING DAVE BENTINCK BACKROOM 19TH JUNE No you haven`t Dave...not that many on bay over the years. And most in very varying conditions. Nth for this little list of ours. Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Good points mate, I suspect their is an attempted talk down of some prices on here to try and get the records they want, I support that heartily if that is the case. definitley not my attempt mate as there are already some items in the list that I own myself. Wouldn`t make any sense to talk down their values, would it ? I believe this stated fact is proof enough for the honesty in my attempt ? Also I tried to make it clear from the start that I am not on about values or prices in general...only and just interested in a list of records that used to be thought of being ultra rare in a sense of nearly "impossible to get" whereas these days you could buy them comparatively easy in say a years time period off ebay for example. If you have the needed funds of course Marc Edited June 10, 2009 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 ...And since Magnetics on RaSel is so common, ... not included in this list Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Ive only been 3 LMW on Palladium on the bay.thats not lots is it but Williams III copy yes a few in poor nick gasher Tommy & The Derbys on Swing Lil' Major Williams both labels Though mostly seen in rough condition (goes for both Tommy & Lil Major). Edited June 10, 2009 by GASHER Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Ive only been 3 LMW on Palladium on the bay.thats not lots is it but Williams III copy yes a few in poor nick gasher I`ll put it in brackets then gasher until we can verify Edited June 10, 2009 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Helena Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Ive only been 3 LMW on Palladium on the bay.thats not lots is it but Williams III copy yes a few in poor nick gasher Now there are four... Though you're right, seen more of the Williams III. Don't put both labels in brackets Marc, just Palladium! Seen Williams III copies go for around $500 - that's a real price drop. Edited June 10, 2009 by Helena Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 done. What about Curtis Anderson "The Hardest Part" and New World "We Gonna Make It" ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) done. What about Curtis Anderson "The Hardest Part" and New World "We Gonna Make It" ? Curtis Anderson was actually a give away record via Mick Charlton (circa 1988) . Thanks Mick Edited June 10, 2009 by Simon M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Curtis Anderson was actually a give away record via Mick Charlton (circa 1988) . Thanks Mick so except for Simon who recieved every 45 he did not buy off Soul Bowl @ 3 UKP in the seventies as a give away in the eighties would anybody else say it doesn`t belong into this list ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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