paup-ine Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 It may seem a very predictable selection for hard-core fans but it's obviously aimed at the wider public - and for them it's a great selection at a bargain price ...in fact it's a bit too cheap in my opinion. The royalty income for individual writers, publishers and licensors will be very small because of the low dealer price and the high number of tracks but any income is welcome and the wider exposure could lead to other opportunities. It isn't our music, it belongs to those who made it and those who own it. They are perfectly entitled to make a few quid and gain a few new fans. I hope it does well. Paul Mooney Good post, totally agree. P PS - Where is the Northern Soul Rule Book available, Amazon? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 It may seem a very predictable selection for hard-core fans but it's obviously aimed at the wider public - and for them it's a great selection at a bargain price ...in fact it's a bit too cheap in my opinion. The royalty income for individual writers, publishers and licensors will be very small because of the low dealer price and the high number of tracks but any income is welcome and the wider exposure could lead to other opportunities. It isn't our music, it belongs to those who made it and those who own it. They are perfectly entitled to make a few quid and gain a few new fans. I hope it does well. Paul Mooney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 And thanks for proving one of my points, Miff didn't make any comment nor did I, about the CD, it was about the scene being so overground that its used as an advertising campaign at peak time TV. As usual the same tired old arguments about new blood etc etc, proving very few people actually read these bloody things before they answer. Can someone actually prove this leads people on to Darrell Banks etc etc, I would say its more likely to have another 500 people buying this CD and half a dozen others with same old records on, then starting up another 500 soul nights that only play the same 250 records they already have on their 6 CD's. They will go everywhere, or at least everywhere within a 2 mile radius, keeping their faith for about 3 years and then they will retire leaving the scene to the next batch of "new blood" before selling these CD's second hand on ebay, killing the demand for any new product. Is that really what you call creating a healthy market for sharing the music? If you dont think thats a problem for a scene good luck to you, I repeat I hope you and the Nostalgia scene live very happily together. Its not my Northern scene and I reserve the right to moan about it. And before I get accused of various crimes against the artists, I buy almost all new re-release CD's that come out, and buy them new. However I really struggle to see what relevance this sort of thing has to an already overcrowded sector of the market. When it comes to this (which I repeat the original argument was not about) then I agree the only relevant comments on this are Ady's and Paul's as at least they put their money where their mouth is where promoting soul music is, and know what is going but can you really both defend this, do you really think this will increase the audience. Do artists really make a lot (any?) money out of this or does it just get fed back to the companies paying small fees for the material. I really don't know the answer and am not being smart but I have to admit to always being very cynical about stuff like this. Whatever the answer to any of this should we not get a bit more united and be more concerned however with promoting the Soulscape.Grapevine etc releases which are surely more likely to increase the audience for quality soul?? Maybe I am just niave. Miff you gave in too easy mate, you were still right!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest miff Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 And thanks for proving one of my points, Miff didn't make any comment nor did I, about the CD, it was about the scene being so overground that its used as an advertising campaign at peak time TV. As usual the same tired old arguments about new blood etc etc, proving very few people actually read these bloody things before they answer. Can someone actually prove this leads people on to Darrell Banks etc etc, I would say its more likely to have another 500 people buying this CD and half a dozen others with same old records on, then starting up another 500 soul nights that only play the same 250 records they already have on their 6 CD's. They will go everywhere, or at least everywhere within a 2 mile radius, keeping their faith for about 3 years and then they will retire leaving the scene to the next batch of "new blood" before selling these CD's second hand on ebay, killing the demand for any new product. Is that really what you call creating a healthy market for sharing the music? If you dont think thats a problem for a scene good luck to you, I repeat I hope you and the Nostalgia scene live very happily together. Its not my Northern scene and I reserve the right to moan about it. And before I get accused of various crimes against the artists, I buy almost all new re-release CD's that come out, and buy them new. However I really struggle to see what relevance this sort of thing has to an already overcrowded sector of the market. When it comes to this (which I repeat the original argument was not about) then I agree the only relevant comments on this are Ady's and Paul's as at least they put their money where their mouth is where promoting soul music is, and know what is going but can you really both defend this, do you really think this will increase the audience. Do artists really make a lot (any?) money out of this or does it just get fed back to the companies paying small fees for the material. I really don't know the answer and am not being smart but I have to admit to always being very cynical about stuff like this. Whatever the answer to any of this should we not get a bit more united and be more concerned however with promoting the Soulscape.Grapevine etc releases which are surely more likely to increase the audience for quality soul?? Maybe I am just niave. Miff you gave in too easy mate, you were still right!! Ive not given in just stood back a bit and I still feel the same, and yes your right about folks not reading posts, some of the answers on this thread got me rereading what i wrote just to check i hadnt asked some of the questions I got answers to So just to make it clear, Its just the fact that this has been advertised on national telly thats got my back up, I have nothing against the CD or the Tracks on it, allthough I wont be buying it, and dont understand why some ones released all these tracks again, on yet another CD, If you want to attract new blood to the scene the relese some tracks on cds that have not seen previous CD releases, And yes there are some that do just this, and thankyou for this, See you've got me going off on a tangent now Hope you all have a good nights sleep, am here till eight in the morning Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I don't think anyone should confuse this with an album which is being aimed at a hardcore Northern Soul or even Soul market. If Morrisons are paying top whack for a TV ad in Corrie then they'll need to shift circa 25-30K units over the next couple of weeks to cover the cost of the ad campaign. My guess is that they'll be targeting the same audience which bought the Sony Northern Soul Story albums which sold in droves predominently through the major supermarket chains and Richard knows this - he has access to the figures and knows that the audience is out there. There are potentially 60K people out there who will buy a competitively priced Northern Soul CD in their local supermarket and that's the market that this is aimed towards. It's in the same catergory as any kind of 'Best-Of' whether it's 60's Pop, 70's Disco, 80's Rap or 90's Rave and presumably there's enough 'casual' buyers and lapsed ex Northern Soulers to make it a commercial success. This TV advertised compilation area is a minefield. An interesting thing happened in the 90's when a budget-priced 'Two-Tone/Mod Revival' CD was available for £5.99 and TV advertised "Ska Revival' album with similar artwork and an almost identical track-listing was available for £14.99. The cheap CD didn't sell and the TV advertised one sold 80K. Go figure........ Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ScooterNik Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 It may seem a very predictable selection for hard-core fans but it's obviously aimed at the wider public - and for them it's a great selection at a bargain price ...in fact it's a bit too cheap in my opinion. The royalty income for individual writers, publishers and licensors will be very small because of the low dealer price and the high number of tracks but any income is welcome and the wider exposure could lead to other opportunities. It isn't our music, it belongs to those who made it and those who own it. They are perfectly entitled to make a few quid and gain a few new fans. I hope it does well. Paul Mooney Spot on Paul. This isn't aimed at the users of forums like this, and all nighter goers etc. Its aimed at Joe Public who have an idea that maybe Motown = Northern Soul but aren't really sure. They just know they like what they've heard. At the end of the day though, who are we to say that the composers and artists can't make a few quid from a reissue? Don't we owe them something? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I have been looking all morning, and found it in my car boot sales box! Roger Collins - You Sexy Sugar Plum (But I Like It) FANTASY 1973. Anyone know where this was played, and by whom?...and whats that little synth noise that keeps popping in? sounds like someone making armpit noises with their hand! Jock. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I have been looking all morning, and found it in my car boot sales box! Roger Collins - You Sexy Sugar Plum (But I Like It) FANTASY 1973. Anyone know where this was played, and by whom?... played everywhere a really big record in its day Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 played everywhere a really big record in its day think i'm gonna play it out next chance. some folk I know would quite like the easy tones of it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Our Kid Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 This selection (assuming orig. tracks) is probably the best mainstream offering I have seen in terms of depth of range and stunning quality. Sure you need the youth club faves to hook 'em in when they're looking at the back of the cd cover but the hope that someone will buy it for say Frankie Valli and grow to like Thumb A Ride/Tearstained Face etc has gotta be an improvement for the world - come on now! Also you would be surprised at the number of people who bought cd's with those poxy cover versions and believe them to be the originals so this may give them an opportunity to educate themselves. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 We can all be aware of this cd being the same old and the general public will buy it. but isn't most music released like this the same old every year or few years of disco, country, 90's pop etc released with a lot of the same tracks. There is a chance maybe someone might see this cd and think i could find out what all the fuss is about on Northern soul. I also think only half at least are popular well known Northern soul songs. at least the ones in the charts which some people may have brought the first time around when released. i liked the advert but what if we could only get other Northern Soul CD's advertised from say Kent etc wouldn't that please us lastly at least this can be released using original recordings not like those cheap 2.99 Best of Northern soul CD's that have 80's re-recordings on them found at garages and supermarkets and fact is Northern soul will now always be mainstream. Since even the CD's of rare soul are found in HMV and so on and that's where the general public can see but may not buy cause they are not aware of who or what they are Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bicks Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Maybe I move in the wrong circles but personally I get a bit fed up trying to explain Northern Soul to people who ask me what kind of music I like. At least now I can send them to Asda (other supermarkets are available) and tell them to find out for themselves. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BrianB Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Sorry Brian but some of your statements make absolutely no sense at all, what nighters did you go to between 79 and 96 that were so overground everyone knew about. I assume what you meant is everyone at your work has heard of Wigan Casino 74-77 and the British Legion type revival of the last few years. The current nostalgia scene is getting exactly what it deserves, in both people and music, hope they are very happy togther. You are not alone in your dislike Miff, there is still a decent amount of people agree, I, like most, just generally can't be assed with arguing the toss these days as it seems to be who shouts loudest with little facts in their argument gets most attention round here (and that is a general comment, not aimed at anyone on this thread, as yet....) Hi Jocko I think Ian D captured it better than me with the Ski ing in the Snow/Wigans Ovation cover. There is no doubt people came to northern do's on the back of that. No one buying this now from the "mainstream" public will go to the Burnley all nighter after listening to the CD. Northern soul was in most tabloids at some stage from 75 to 77, and clearly, whether we liked it or not, on the TV as well. Same in the 80s and 90ts. I have bought some painstaking compilations off Pete Smith, where he has every TV clip of Northern exposure in the 80s 90s and 2000. No wonder the public is aware of Northern Soul, it was featured on Granada Reports alone 4 times last year. People at my work and my non soulful friends have no real knowledge of the Casino from 74 to 77. However, like a hell of a lot of people they have heard of the Casino full stop. I agree it is one of the best oldies compilations I have seen. Top marks to the compiler. Hopefully the artists/writers etc. might see some money from it, because I know one thing about our scene, they don't see any money when a record is sold and resold for various amounts of money on e bay or at a venue, so with that in mind I hope it sells thousands! Thanks and enjoy your weekend. Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 And here they are Disc: 1 1. Dobie Gray - Out On The Floor 2. Don Thomas - Come On Train 3. Al Wilson - The Snake 4. The M.V.P.'s - Turnin' My Heartbeat Up 5. Chuck Woods - Seven Days Too Long 6. The Invitations - Skiing In The Snow 7. The Casualeers - Dance Dance Dance 8. Mel Britt - She'll Come Running Back 9. Tony Clarke - Landslide 10. Sandi Sheldon - You're Gonna Make Me Love You 11. Jackie Wilson - (Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher 12. Billy Butler - Right Track 13. Jerry Williams - If You Ask Me (Because I Love You) 14. Major Lance - You Don't Want Me No More 15. Roy Hamilton - Crackin' Up Over You 16. Little Anthony & The Imperials - Better Use Your Head 17. Bobby Paris - I Walked Away 18. Lainie Hill - Time Marches On 19. Shawn Robinson - My Dear Heart 20. Ila Vann Can't Help - Lovin' Dat Man 21. The Poets She Blew - A Good Thing 22. Darrell Banks - Open The Door To Your Heart 23. Willie Tee - Walkin' Up A One Way Street 24. Jimmy Radcliffe - Long After Tonight Is All Over 25. Tobi Legend - Time Will Pass You By 26. Dean Parrish - I'm On My Way Disc: 2 1. Mike Post Coalition - Afternoon Of The Rhino 2. Laura Greene - Moonlight Music And You 3. The Flirtations - Nothing But A Heartache 4. Robert Knight - Love On A Mountain Top 5. The Trammps - Hold Back The Night 6. William Bell - Happy 7. Archie Bell & The Drells - Here I Go Again 8. Millie Jackson - My Man, A Sweet Man 9. The Chiffons - Sweet Talkin' Guy 10. Frankie Valli - You're Ready Now 11. Bandwagon - Breakin' Down The Walls Of Heartache 12. The Newbeats - Run Baby Run 13. Little Anthony & The Imperials - Gonna Fix You Good (Every Time You're Bad) 14. Jay & The Americans - Livin' Above Your Head 15. Tami Lynn - I'm Gonna Run Away From You 16. Gloria Jones - Tainted Love 17. Showstoppers - Ain't Nothing But A House Party 18. Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - You Get Your Kicks 19. Homer Banks - A Lot Of Love 20. Rodger Collins - You Sexy Sugar Plum (But I Like It) 21. Jackie Wilson - I Get The Sweetest Feeling 22. Garnet Mimms - Looking For You 23. Kenny Lynch - Movin' Away 24. Timi Yuro - It'll Never Be Over For Me Disc: 3 1. Ike & Tina Turner - Dust My Broom 2. Larry Williams & Johnny Watson - Too Late 3. Judy Street - What 4. Epitome Of Sound - You Don't Love Me 5. Jack Montgomery - Dearly Beloved 6. Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful 7. Alexander Patton - A Lil' Lovin' Sometimes 8. Bobby Sheen - Dr. Love 9. Earl Wright Orchestra - Thumb A Ride 10. Willie Mitchell - The Champion 11. Benny Spellman - Fortune Teller 12. Derek Martin - Breakaway 13. Herbie Goins & Nightimers - Number One in Your Heart 14. Richard Temple - That Beatin' Rhythm 15. The Fuzz - I'm So Glad 16. Maxine Brown - One In A Million 17. Fred Hughes - Baby Boy 18. Lou Ragland - I Travel Alone 19. Jerry Cook - I Hurt On The Other Side 20. Carl Douglas - Serving A Sentence Of Life 21. Danny Wagner & The Kindred Soul - I Lost A True Love 22. Spencer Wiggins - Let's Talk It Over 23. Roscoe Robinson - That's Enough 24. Gene Chandler - Nothing Can Stop Me 25. Gene McDaniels - Walk With A Winner Disc: 4 1. Doni Burdick - Bari Track 2. World Column - So Is The Sun 3. Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels - Breakout 4. The Bob & Earl Band - My Little Girl 5. Bob Brady & The Con Chords - Everybody's Goin' To The Love-In 6. Levi Jackson - This Beautiful Day 7. Frankie & The Classicals - What Shall I Do 8. Cindy Scott - I Love You, Baby 9. Garnet Mimms - As Long As I Have You 10. Rufus Lumley - I'm Standing 11. Dean Parrish - Determination 12. Nancy Wilson - The End Of Our Love 13. Patrice Holloway - Love And Desire 14. Thelma Houston - Baby Mine 15. The Soul Sisters - Good Time Tonight 16. Jimmy Holiday & Clydie King - Ready, Willing And Able 17. Eddie & Ernie - (I Just Can't Leave You) 18. Don Varner - Tear Stained Face 19. Baltimore & Ohio Marching Band - Condition Red 20. Reggie Garner - Hot Line 21. The Group feat. Cecil Washington - I Don't Like To Lose 22. Sheila Anthony - Livin' In Love 23. Elbie Parker - Please Keep Away From Me 24. The Flirtations - Change My Darkness Into Light 25. Kenny Wells - Isn't It Just A Shame 26. Ray Pollard - The Drifter They should have called it... Instant Oldies Soul Night For Lazy Bastards Who Don't Give A Toss About Format Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I've got nothing against compilations but this got me thinking about the compilations that were around when i got into the scene and how they compare. I was already going to nighters but the big compilations of my early years were This Is Northern Soul, Talk Of The Grapevine, Sounds Of The Grapevine, Capitol Soul Casino and others. They were superb and certainly a useful leg up music-wise. The difference was at they time they were compilations of current plays and reflected the scene at that moment. This CD doesn't do that at all, so no one coming new to northern soul will have an introduction to what is actually being played out now (unless they only attend Stoke). Come to think of it Nancy Wilson, Patrice Holloway and Thelma Houston were all on Capitol Soul Casino, probably in the same order that they appear on this CD. That was over 25 years ago. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest johnm Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I bought it in ASDA and in the car it sounds great to me ................... but then I've only into this music since 2005...... what do I know Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I've got nothing against compilations but this got me thinking about the compilations that were around when i got into the scene and how they compare. I was already going to nighters but the big compilations of my early years were This Is Northern Soul, Talk Of The Grapevine, Sounds Of The Grapevine, Capitol Soul Casino and others. They were superb and certainly a useful leg up music-wise. The difference was at they time they were compilations of current plays and reflected the scene at that moment. This CD doesn't do that at all, so no one coming new to northern soul will have an introduction to what is actually being played out now (unless they only attend Stoke). Come to think of it Nancy Wilson, Patrice Holloway and Thelma Houston were all on Capitol Soul Casino, probably in the same order that they appear on this CD. That was over 25 years ago. It's aiming at a different market Matt. The sales of a compilation which reflects what is currently being played might sell 500-1000 copies if that, whereas 101 Northern Soul Anthems I think will do around 30K in the next 4 weeks - that's why they're TV advertising it. The audience for 101 Northern Soul Anthems will be anywhere from 15-65 and much more casual buyers. At the price it's a real bargain and anyone who has even been slightly into Northern Soul for the last 40 years will probably buy it and relive their youth from their armchairs LOL.... Also I think the comps you mentioned had a balance of older established tunes and a smattering of stuff that was currently being played at the time, but none of them sold in vast quantities and were mostly only stocked in specialist stores at the time, but all great albums anyway. Also, I truly believe that the early to mid 70's audience was probably in the region of at least 100K plus. These would include about 80% 'casual' fans who maybe went to a couple of nighters and then just dropped into their local Northern nights occasionally. This explains why records like "Love On A Mountain Top", "Ghost In My House", "You Sexy Sugar Plum" etc could actually get in the charts at the time. So this album's 100% pitched at almost anyone who has dipped their toes into Northern Soul over the last 40 years and doesn't mind shelling out £12.00 to get 101 oldie anthems at their local Morrisons. Or people who liked the Duffy and Amy Winehouse records. I think they'll clean up. But don't confuse this audience with the few thousand fans who go to today's nighters and gigs which play current rarities, very few of which will be interested in this CD anyway. Horses for courses really....... Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest spudmurphy Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 well my kids gave it to me this morning for fathers day just played it feel like going to bury masonic now for the afternoon doo, dont know what thats says about me and not sure im bothered Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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