Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Jack Montgomery - My Dear Beloved c/w Do You Believe It - Scepter Yes, the seldom seen mis-titled - MY DEAR BELOVED - for those of you who seek the Rarest-Form of the true Northern Soul classics. A red stock copy of - DEARLY BELOVED - spelled wrong is far-out way of owning this incomparable Detroit double-sider. This is the description on John Manship's auction for the above titled record. If you look at the title on the scan of the actual record, it reads 'My Dear Beloved'. When you listen to the lyrics he clearly sings 'Dear Beloved'. So, my confusion is this. Where is the incorrect spelling??? Edited May 21, 2009 by denbo
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Jack Montgomery - My Dear Beloved c/w Do You Believe It - Scepter Yes, the seldom seen miss-titled - MY DEAR BELOVED - for those of you who seek the Rarest-Form of the true Northern Soul classics. A red stock copy of - DEARLY BELOVED - spelled wrong is far-out way of owning this incomparable Detroit double-sider. This is the description on John Manship's auction for the above titled record. If you look at the title on the scan of the actual record, it reads 'My Dear Beloved'. When you listen to the lyrics he clearly sings 'Dear Beloved'. So, my confusion is this. Where is the incorrect spelling??? Yep. Just listened. I'll go with that. Mis-spelt on both? ROD
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Yep. Just listened. I'll go with that. Mis-spelt on both? ROD You've confused me even more now Rod. What do you mean? As far as I can tell, the record should be titled 'Dear Beloved', because that sounds like what he's singing. The record is actually titled 'My Dear Beloved'. So, should we be talking about this record being mis-titled as opposed to mis-spelled? In fact, where, if anywhere, does the word 'Dearly' enter into the title, apart from the so-called re-issue / boot copy. I see the UK release on Soul City has it as 'My Dear Beloved'. So, the difference then, is literally the inclusion or the absence of the word 'My' in the title. I'm going to guess it should be titled 'Dear Beloved' and that the mis-titled 'My Dear Beloved' is the rarer of the two and therefore fetches a bigger price. All depending on condition of course. Am I right. Or have I got it arse about face? Edited May 21, 2009 by denbo
mischief Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 what differnce is there in price? issue with my and issue with out my
Sean Hampsey Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Some copies read "Dearly Beloved" others read "My Dear Beloved". I've got or had them both. The song is the same on both. Sean
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) You've confused even more now Rod. What do you mean? As far as I can tell, the record should be titled 'Dear Beloved', because that sounds like what he's singing. The record is actually titled 'My Dear Beloved'. So, should we be talking about this record being miss-titled as opposed to miss-spelled? What do you mean "what do you mean"!! Yep. You're right again. Should be [surely] "Dear Beloved". Not a "My" and no "....ly" I can hear in lyric,so mis-titled yes to be exact. I guess if it said "Deer Beloved" that would be a mis-spelling. However I would point out that you've mis-spelt both "miss-spelt" and miss-titled", whilst John has mislabelled "Dearly Beloved" as a mis-spelling when we are both agreed it's a mis-titling error. Pretty mis-erable effort all round and I don't think I can make it any clearer than that!! ROD Edited May 21, 2009 by modernsoulsucks
billysbag Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 What do you mean "what do you mean"!! Yep. You're right again. Should be [surely] "Dear Beloved". Not a "My" and no "....ly" I can hear in lyric,so mis-titled yes to be exact. I guess if it said "Deer Beloved" that would be a mis-spelling. However I would point out that you've mis-spelt both "miss-spelt" and miss-titled", whilst John has mislabelled "Dearly Beloved" as a mis-spelling when we are both agreed it's a mis-titling error. Pretty mis-erable effort all round and I don't think I can make it any clearer than that!! ROD you cpuld be mis-taken though
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 What do you mean "what do you mean"!! Yep. You're right again. Should be [surely] "Dear Beloved". Not a "My" and no "....ly" I can hear in lyric,so mis-titled yes to be exact. I guess if it said "Deer Beloved" that would be a mis-spelling. However I would point out that you've mis-spelt both "miss-spelt" and miss-titled", whilst John has mislabelled "Dearly Beloved" as a mis-spelling when we are both agreed it's a mis-titling error. Pretty mis-erable effort all round and I don't think I can make it any clearer than that!! ROD Nice one Rod. Clear as mudd. Or is that mud? "However I would point out that you've mis-spelt both "miss-spelt" and miss-titled", " Thought I had. Sorry about that Rod.
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) you cpuld be mis-taken though I go to all that trouble to help Denbo out and all I get is the miss taken out of me!! ROD Edited May 21, 2009 by modernsoulsucks
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) What do you mean "what do you mean"!! Yep. You're right again. Should be [surely] "Dear Beloved". Not a "My" and no "....ly" I can hear in lyric,so mis-titled yes to be exact. I guess if it said "Deer Beloved" that would be a mis-spelling. However I would point out that you've mis-spelt both "miss-spelt" and miss-titled", whilst John has mislabelled "Dearly Beloved" as a mis-spelling when we are both agreed it's a mis-titling error. Pretty mis-erable effort all round and I don't think I can make it any clearer than that!! ROD Well, Jack sings "Dear Beloved" , and the backing singers also sing "Dear Beloved", so the two titles are sort of OK, they must have just decided to rename it, don't know which came first though. All demos have "Dearly Beloved" as the title (don't they?), so it could be that "My Dear Beloved" was a title change at the last minute - Or it could indeed be just a typo. "My Dear Beloved" is definately harder to come by than the "Dearly Beloved" copies. Cheers Mick Edited May 21, 2009 by sixtify
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 In fact, where, if anywhere, does the word 'Dearly' enter into the title, apart from the so-called re-issue / boot copy. Mine says "Dearly beloved" orig WDJ. Just had a glance at Popsike. On first page alone there are three copies of "My dear beloved" on red stock copies. ROD
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Jack Montgomery - My Dear Beloved c/w Do You Believe It - Scepter Yes, the seldom seen mis-titled - MY DEAR BELOVED - for those of you who seek the Rarest-Form of the true Northern Soul classics. A red stock copy of - DEARLY BELOVED - spelled wrong is far-out way of owning this incomparable Detroit double-sider. This is the description on John Manship's auction for the above titled record. If you look at the title on the scan of the actual record, it reads 'My Dear Beloved'. When you listen to the lyrics he clearly sings 'Dear Beloved'. So, my confusion is this. Where is the incorrect spelling??? Where's the confussion? The song is called "Dearly Beloved" and these are the first two words of the song. All copies of the record should have the song title ie "Dearly Beloved" yet a few were pressed with labels that say "My Dear Beloved" these are as John says mis-titled. Simple enough to me.
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 Well, Jack sings "Dear Beloved" , and the backing singers sing "Dearly Beloved", so the two titles are sort of OK, they must have just decided to rename it, don't know which came first though. All demos have "Dear Beloved" as the title (don't they?), so it could be that "My Dear Beloved" was a title change at the last minute - Or it could indeed be just a typo. "My Dear Beloved" is definately harder to come by than the "Dear Beloved" copies. Cheers Mick So, that confirms what I said in my summary. It's the inclusion versus the absence of the word 'My' that determines it's rarity / value. The word 'Dearly' only seems to appear on the re-issue / boot. Thanks Mick. But I can't agree with you that the backing singers sing 'Dearly Beloved'.
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Well, Jack sings "Dear Beloved" , and the backing singers sing "Dearly Beloved", so the two titles are sort of OK, they must have just decided to rename it, don't know which came first though. All demos have "Dear Beloved" as the title (don't they?), so it could be that "My Dear Beloved" was a title change at the last minute - Or it could indeed be just a typo. "My Dear Beloved" is definately harder to come by than the "Dear Beloved" copies. Cheers Mick I've listened again and backing singers appear to sing "Dear Beloved" and as I mentioned I have a WDJ stating "Dearly beloved" and there are plenty on Popsike. So good points if not exactly true on both counts. ROD
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 Where's the confussion? The song is called "Dearly Beloved" and these are the first two words of the song. All copies of the record should have the song title ie "Dearly Beloved" yet a few were pressed with labels that say "My Dear Beloved" these are as John says mis-titled. Simple enough to me. Sorry, you're wrong. Listen a bit closer.
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 So, that confirms what I said in my summary. It's the inclusion versus the absence of the word 'My' that determines it's rarity / value. The word 'Dearly' only seems to appear on the re-issue / boot. Thanks Mick. But I can't agree with you that the backing singers sing 'Dearly Beloved'. What are you on about!! There is an orig WDJ [at least] titled "Dearly Beloved". Shouldn't you be at work or something? ROD
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 So, that confirms what I said in my summary. It's the inclusion versus the absence of the word 'My' that determines it's rarity / value. The word 'Dearly' only seems to appear on the re-issue / boot. Thanks Mick. But I can't agree with you that the backing singers sing 'Dearly Beloved'. No the word "Dearly" appears on the original demo and some original issues. Some original issues were labled with the wrong title "My Dear Beloved" and are rarer. Simples
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Sorry, you're wrong. Listen a bit closer. Man,I thought you were losing it and then along comes Ged!!
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Sorry, you're wrong. Listen a bit closer. Well Don Mancha said its "Dearly Beloved" in the lyrics and I think he would know better than me or you.
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 The rarest version is of course titled "Made by red vole" pressed at the Anagram pressing plant in Ohio. I'd like to add that my copy of "Out on the floor" does not feature any combination of titles under discussion. How do you explain that? ROD
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 The rarest version is of course titled "Made by red vole" pressed at the Anagram pressing plant in Ohio. I'd like to add that my copy of "Out on the floor" does not feature any combination of titles under discussion. How do you explain that? ROD The anagram pressing plant pressed "out on the floor" not on Charger but on Forte Thou Loon which is very rare indeed
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) So, that confirms what I said in my summary. It's the inclusion versus the absence of the word 'My' that determines it's rarity / value. The word 'Dearly' only seems to appear on the re-issue / boot. Thanks Mick. But I can't agree with you that the backing singers sing 'Dearly Beloved'. Nope, I'm completely wrong. Told you from the start I was confused!!! Printed titles on the label are 'My Dear Beloved' (the rarer of the two) and 'Dearly Beloved'. It's just that the word 'Dearly' is never sung during the whole recording. I think that's what confused me. QED. Sorry everybody. :wacko: Edited May 21, 2009 by denbo
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) All demos have "Dear Beloved" as the title (don't they?), so it could be that "My Dear Beloved" was a title change at the last minute - Or it could indeed be just a typo. I've listened again and backing singers appear to sing "Dear Beloved" and as I mentioned I have a WDJ stating "Dearly beloved" and there are plenty on Popsike. So good points if not exactly true on both counts. ROD Hi Rod woops - just listened to backing singers, the only sing "Dear Beloved" - sorry about that The other point I made was that as far as I know, all WDJs are only "Dearly Beloved", which is what you're saying isn't it ? Cheers Mick Edited May 21, 2009 by sixtify
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 The anagram pressing plant pressed "out on the floor" not on Charger but on Forte Thou Loon which is very rare indeed So probably dear,my beloved? ROD
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Hi Rod woops - just listened to backing singers, the only sing "Dear Beloved" - sorr about that The other point I made was that as far as I know, all WDJs are only "Dear Beloved", which is what you're saying isn't it ? Cheers Mick I give up
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Hi Rod woops - just listened to backing singers, the only sing "Dear Beloved" - sorr about that The other point I made was that as far as I know, all WDJs are only "Dear Beloved", which is what you're saying isn't it ? Cheers Mick No Mick Im saying that my WDJ is titled "Dearly beloved" However out of this shambles we may have stumbled upon a talking point. I've only been through first page results on Popsike but there appears to be NO wdj for "Dear Beloved" so far. ROD
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 No Mick Im saying that my WDJ is titled "Dearly beloved" However out of this shambles we may have stumbled upon a talking point. I've only been through first page results on Popsike but there appears to be NO wdj for "Dear Beloved" so far. ROD Ignore that. Im confusing myself now. To sum up the song was originally titled "Dearly beloved" and came out as a WDJ for promotion. It then was issued as "Dearly beloved" or the rarer "My dearly beloved" It was never on DJ or issue titled "Dear Beloved" ROD
Sean Hampsey Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 One of the finest Deep Soul dance tracks ever (IMO)! Sean
Denbo Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 Ignore that. Im confusing myself now. To sum up the song was originally titled "Dearly beloved" and came out as a WDJ for promotion. It then was issued as "Dearly beloved" or the rarer "My dearly beloved" It was never on DJ or issue titled "Dear Beloved" ROD NEARLY correct Rod. The only bit you got wrong was on line 2. That should read 'My Dear Beloved'. Other than that, spot on!!!
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Ignore that. Im confusing myself now. To sum up the song was originally titled "Dearly beloved" and came out as a WDJ for promotion. It then was issued as "Dearly beloved" or the rarer "My dearly beloved" It was never on DJ or issue titled "Dear Beloved" ROD Rod Yes, I now see my second mistake - I meant all WDJ's are "Dearly Beloved" blah blah blah. I looked at my statement and then yours for about 20 minutes before I clocked it. I bet this is what happened at the label printers !!! I've edited my post to put these corrections in Cheers Mick Edited May 21, 2009 by sixtify
Sean Hampsey Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Ignore that. Im confusing myself now. To sum up the song was originally titled "Dearly beloved" and came out as a WDJ for promotion. It then was issued as "Dearly beloved" or the rarer "My dearly beloved" It was never on DJ or issue titled "Dear Beloved" ROD That's not right Rod, there was no "My Dearly Beloved" Only "My Dear Beloved" and "Dearly Beloved"... ...as I said very much earlier! Sean
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Yes sorry I meant to type "My dear beloved". ROD
Sean Hampsey Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Yes sorry I meant to type "My dear beloved". ROD That's OK Love. Sean
Ged Parker Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 While we're confusing one another with this subject has anyone ever seen a "Dearly Beloved" with a drill hole? or for that matter a "My Dear Beloved" without? Every copy I've seen of My Dear Beloved has been drilled even the one currently on John's Auction. I wonder if these were drilled before they even left the pressing plant once the error in the title was spotted or if this shows this was the second press so more of this version ended up as remaindered?
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 While we're confusing one another with this subject has anyone ever seen a "Dearly Beloved" with a drill hole? or for that matter a "My Dear Beloved" without? Every copy I've seen of My Dear Beloved has been drilled even the one currently on John's Auction. I wonder if these were drilled before they even left the pressing plant once the error in the title was spotted or if this shows this was the second press so more of this version ended up as remaindered? Ok after getting confused earlier with all the variations, let's hope I get this right. Just pulled mine out for the Third time today - it is ... "My Dear Beloved" - no drill hole Cheers Mick
Pete S Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 Why on earth would anyone auction a copy, it's hardly rare is it? There's one for sale on here almost every week let alone on ebay.
kevinsoulman Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 heres my demo https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Jan13-0...image20364.html bought over the phone many moons ago from soulbowl kev
Premium Stuff Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Guys, guys - I just want to kill myself after reading this thread I have this one twice as Dearly Beloved on a white promo and as My Dear Beloved on a lovely issue. I'm pretty sure my MDB issue doesn't have a cut out hole, but I will check. I have some scans at home on the laptop which show different variations in label design, at least on the promos, in relation to print, catalogue number format etc I think. I will check this out when I'm at home and report back. As for which side is best - I love Do You Believe It as it's a fairly unusual song and delivery by Jack IMFVHO. I can entirely understand why someone would auction the My Dear Beloved issue because it is a legend of a record and this is the rarest and most desirable format - I don't think it's about rarity really, it's about how much someone wants it and is prepared to pay - if the answer is potentially lots to both, why not auction it. Leaves the chepaer copies for the sane among us! B) Cheers Richard Edited May 21, 2009 by Premium Stuff
Premium Stuff Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) I have this one twice as Dearly Beloved on a white promo and as My Dear Beloved on a lovely issue. I'm pretty sure my MDB issue doesn't have a cut out hole, but I will check. Cheers Richard OK - I just checked and my My Dear Beloved issue does have a drill hole and is in a company bag. But I have a scan of one that doesn't, like the one posted above. Cheers Richard Edited May 22, 2009 by Premium Stuff
Premium Stuff Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 I have some scans at home on the laptop which show different variations in label design, at least on the promos, in relation to print, catalogue number format etc I think. I will check this out when I'm at home and report back. Here are a couple of scans showing different label details - I will leave it up to you guys, like a spot the difference Cheers Richard
mischief Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Here are a couple of scans showing different label details - I will leave it up to you guys, like a spot the difference Cheers Richard One has a small X in marker the other one has 2 bigger x's and this thread is more confussing than any IL - JT thread we've had Edited May 22, 2009 by mischief
Ged Parker Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 OK - I just checked and my My Dear Beloved issue does have a drill hole and is in a company bag. But I have a scan of one that doesn't, like the one posted above. Cheers Richard Cheers Richard, That scan is the first copy with the "My Dear Beloved" title I can remember seeing without the DH now that is a rare piece IMO. The IL - JT threads are were not confussing rather they were predictable, tiresome and added nothing to the value of this site but only added to profile of the protagonists, which I think was the idea.
purist Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 Irrespective of which title, or which side of the 45, you gotta admit ol' Marvin's voice has got a quality about it that few could match. For me it's definitely one that fits into the "Impossible to play to death by overplaying" category, but my additional question is on the UK Kent pressing - are the only promo copies ones that bear the sticker of the promotion company, or are there any printed promo's? btw Rod, you makes oiy larf
Guest Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 Irrespective of which title, or which side of the 45, you gotta admit ol' Marvin's voice has got a quality about it that few could match. For me it's definitely one that fits into the "Impossible to play to death by overplaying" category, but my additional question is on the UK Kent pressing - are the only promo copies ones that bear the sticker of the promotion company, or are there any printed promo's? btw Rod, you makes oiy larf Marvin ?
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Marvin ? Ken, hope this link works https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php?itemnr=4741897548 I noticed ref to Marvin Jones but have no idea if it's true or not. I didn't mention it at the time because I thought we were in enough trouble already. ROD Edited May 22, 2009 by modernsoulsucks
SteveM Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 Ken, hope this link works https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php?itemnr=4741897548 ROD Need your login and password Rod
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