Black Horse Wolves

[dthedrug]

TO ALL THE BROS & SISTERS WHO WENT TO THE BLACK HORSE, THOMSON AVE WOLVERHAMPTON IN THE LATE 8ts EARLY 9ts SADLY IT WAS DEMOLISHED YESTERDAY & TODAY GOOD TIMES GONE FOREVER DAVE KIL

[Ted Massey]

TO ALL THE BROS & SISTERS WHO WENT TO THE BLACK HORSE, THOMSON AVE WOLVERHAMPTON IN THE LATE 8ts EARLY 9ts SADLY IT WAS DEMOLISHED YESTERDAY & TODAY GOOD TIMES GONE FOREVER DAVE KIL

some great nights Dave hell of a job getting paid thou

[Ted Massey]

TO ALL THE BROS & SISTERS WHO WENT TO THE BLACK HORSE, THOMSON AVE WOLVERHAMPTON IN THE LATE 8ts EARLY 9ts SADLY IT WAS DEMOLISHED YESTERDAY & TODAY GOOD TIMES GONE FOREVER DAVE KIL

[shute]

Use to go there with Dave Alcock (RIP)

WAZ SUM YRS AGO !

[Guest Dirk Tiggler]

I'm sad to hear it. The last time I saw the place, the roof had severe fire damage so I suppose demolition was inevitable. Yeah, it was a great place in early 90ts even having two rooms, both rammed full. Ade

[Ted Massey]

I'm sad to hear it. The last time I saw the place, the roof had severe fire damage so I suppose demolition was inevitable. Yeah, it was a great place in early 90ts even having two rooms, both rammed full. Ade

That 2 rooms idea was the start of the down turn some how, just did not work after the first one cant remember if Pep had another 2 roomer after

[Guest Tiny]

I was on the shout to the fire at the Blachorse, couple of months ago.Managed to have a good look around for old times sake (brought back some good memories).From a personal point of view I'm glad its demolished now as it was just begging to get burnt down!

[dthedrug]

some great nights Dave hell of a job getting paid thou

GETTING PAID BY PEP & HELEN???? I FOUND THE VENUE THEY JUST TOOK OVER, LIKE THEY DO IS THIS SLANDER I DONT THINK SO DAVE KIL

[Guest Dirk Tiggler]

That 2 rooms idea was the start of the down turn some how, just did not work after the first one cant remember if Pep had another 2 roomer after

Now I've thought about it I think you're right that the two rooms didn't amount to much. Towards the end of Pep's reign the numbers had dropped off to no more than 15 to 20 hardy souls. The Connaught seemed to follow the same pattern with declining numbers. Just looked on the E&S website & it says the Blackhorse was the 1st Wolves pub to lose it's license due to drug dealing & prostitution, something I didn't know. Such a inglorious end for a fine building-Ade

[harpo1]

When the partnership promoting the second era of the Cavendish was dissolved, at the time i was told for tax reasons(only years later i was told it was as i was no longer in possesion of enough records...ouch!!...yet i think all would agree still always did the best spot, no matter who guested...hmmmmm!!)

They did one night at the Wagon and Horses, and then Pep took the night to the Black Horse.....it continued to be successful and by taking a smaller room, it kept the atmosphere alive. Didn't always make it as at first it was too painful, and then i took my night job that entailed me workin mon. through to fri. nights for 8 years.

I know it was where some of todays top soulies re-entered the fray as well as being a chance for emerging dj's to play, and i always had a good night when i could make it.

Sad to see such a big "boozer" go down...i wonder where "the general" will be mincing now??(local joke)

Yet we are still here going strong venues come and go the music stays with us for ever

Harpo

Edited May 17, 2009 by harpo1

[Guest jayjay]

there werent too many venues about in those days> Looked forward to Blackhorse once a month on a Friday

My memories are of all the local Wolves Northern Lovers having a great nite dancing to every record, Dawn and Andy Peake Myself and my husband Jacko , Paul Walker and Bev Carol and Paul Martin and lots more. It was always chocka and we had a

sum good laughs. Seems like ages ago now, To me the Blackhorse was a great venue and I have fond memories of every visit.

Umnfortunate to see it knocked down but thats life nothing remains the same. We have all moved on for various reasons. Happy memories for me.

[dthedrug]

When the partnership promoting the second era of the Cavendish was dissolved, at the time i was told for tax reasons(only years later i was told it was as i was no longer in possesion of enough records...ouch!!...yet i think all would agree still always did the best spot, no matter who guested...hmmmmm!!)

They did one night at the Wagon and Horses, and then Pep took the night to the Black Horse.....it continued to be successful and by taking a smaller room, it kept the atmosphere alive. Didn't always make it as at first it was too painful, and then i took my night job that entailed me workin mon. through to fri. nights for 8 years.

I know it was where some of todays top soulies re-entered the fray as well as being a chance for emerging dj's to play, and i always had a good night when i could make it.

Sad to see such a big "boozer" go down...i wonder where "the general" will be mincing now??(local joke)

Yet we are still here going strong venues come and go the music stays with us for ever

Harpo

HI M8T THE WAGON & HORSES IN THE CELLER? I REMEMBER AND I CANT THINK WHO AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME PLAYING "CHICK JACKSON-WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO" A REAL WOLVES SPIN FROM THE CATS MEMORIES DAVE KIL

[Chris Anderton]

Some great night up there...top venue in its time, used to love going up there and spinning some oldies for a change...

Never had a problem getting paid by Pep...but i didnt charge as much as you did Ted!!

Chris

[Ted Massey]

Some great night up there...top venue in its time, used to love going up there and spinning some oldies for a change...

Never had a problem getting paid by Pep...but i didnt charge as much as you did Ted!!

Chris

I ALLWAYS got paid Chris it was just difficult to get Helens purse open

[Munchkin]

TO ALL THE BROS & SISTERS WHO WENT TO THE BLACK HORSE, THOMSON AVE WOLVERHAMPTON IN THE LATE 8ts EARLY 9ts SADLY IT WAS DEMOLISHED YESTERDAY & TODAY GOOD TIMES GONE FOREVER DAVE KIL

great shame was a great venue, remeber phil sheltons wake being there sad time but all adds to the memories(really expected him to be there in the corner in his coffin)

[dthedrug]

great shame was a great venue, remeber phil sheltons wake being there sad time but all adds to the memories(really expected him to be there in the corner in his coffin)

AND HIS LONG MAC, I OFTEN THINK OF PHIL A GREAT GUY SADLY I WAS WITH HIM ON THAT FATEFUL DAY IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT I COULD NOT HELP HIM, WHY HE WENT IN THE GOAL POST I WILL NEVER KNOW? DAVE KIL

[Guest nomad]

AND HIS LONG MAC, I OFTEN THINK OF PHIL A GREAT GUY SADLY I WAS WITH HIM ON THAT FATEFUL DAY IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT I COULD NOT HELP HIM, WHY HE WENT IN THE GOAL POST I WILL NEVER KNOW? DAVE KIL

That Long Mac, as you call it was Phils pride and joy. He once told Kerry he would never get rid of it.

I too remember the wake. But I will always remember the BH for other reasons Like seeing Pedro sat with Hellen by the desk. Harpos spots and above all the freinds that used to go.

Happy/Sad memories but memories all the same.

Paul H

[Keithw]

used to go with little Mick from crewe RIP

always saw Richard Domar there for some reason

and wernt there ladies of the night in downstairs bar

or the Wolvo women are a bit rough

[Guest SoulRenaissance]

Now I've thought about it I think you're right that the two rooms didn't amount to much. Towards the end of Pep's reign the numbers had dropped off to no more than 15 to 20 hardy souls. The Connaught seemed to follow the same pattern with declining numbers. Just looked on the E&S website & it says the Blackhorse was the 1st Wolves pub to lose it's license due to drug dealing & prostitution, something I didn't know. Such a inglorious end for a fine building-Ade

Some very good memories of the nights there. But the end was inevitable, summed up the way musically some of the people wanted to move. Which was a different direction from what Pep was making money out of.

It wasn't the two rooms what killed it, but a lust for new tunes. I remember the likes of myself aided and abetted by Tait and Lin, and Pedro on the one hand. And Brian Fradgeley, Kenny Lee and Chevy on the other moving away from the Black Horse along with a growing number of soul folk to pastures new.

And it was never the same again.

Martyn

[Soulfool]

Some very good memories of the nights there. But the end was inevitable, summed up the way musically some of the people wanted to move. Which was a different direction from what Pep was making money out of.

It wasn't the two rooms what killed it, but a lust for new tunes. I remember the likes of myself aided and abetted by Tait and Lin, and Pedro on the one hand. And Brian Fradgeley, Kenny Lee and Chevy on the other moving away from the Black Horse along with a growing number of soul folk to pastures new.

And it was never the same again.

Martyn

Loved this venue when Meself, Tait, Martyn & Des were putting soul events on here a few years ago, numbers were never great despite the many top DJ's as guests but a great venue nonetheless - sad

[burt weedon]

me 2,still ay got paid 4 spots all in told.BARS D

[dthedrug]

me 2,still ay got paid 4 spots all in told.BARS D

i am sorry you guys put so much effort in the black horse in later years, and stupid me for not acknowlaging the fact you guys tried to resarect it from the ashes, across the road behind the houses there a kids adventure play ground called the phoenix? However never put youselfs down and the killer of 2 rooms policy is crap always was and still is, it only exists for poeple who in the main are not into soul nites, which should be in or case based around uptempo class soul no more than that? as I started this once again to all off you from myself I should have given it support but it was at a time that I had fineally kicked a 28 year old amphetamine addiction as such I dropped of the scene and only ever go to allniters with MICK SMITH..while I am talking about that period when I was at my worst the only person i could trust was Smokie and his boy Julian who returned from Warrington in the early hours of the morning under my instructions that i was so out of control to knock me out if I tried any thing on, he really is a top soul brother and I owe him big time for putting up with my maddness for 1 week RIGHT ON SMOKIE WOLVES NO1 SOUL MAN DAVE THE DRUG

[Billyboy]

Another one bites the dust... however memories are stronger then bricks and mortar.

Wonder what they'll do with the land?? Something really crucially important.... like a "CAR PARK" :wanker: (Wigan Casino RIP)

Edited May 26, 2009 by Billyboy

[purist]

i am sorry you guys put so much effort in the black horse in later years, and stupid me for not acknowlaging the fact you guys tried to resarect it from the ashes,

DAVE THE DRUG

Have some great memories from the BH, all eras, even a few family weddings.

I remember the nite when Pep first went with two rooms, and Carl fortnum playing a blinder of a set in the converted cupboard room, as the screwed together dance floor disintigrated before our eyes - think Paul Everton (&/or Brocky maybe ?) were responsible for constructing the floor that afternoon, finishing with only minutes to spare? Did the first dj have to miss their spot because it wasn't quite finished in time, or am I imagining that?

Obviously too many uptempo numbers, perhaps a few more beat ballads would have made the floor last until the end of the nite? Saw and held the Kimtone labelled beauty that nite, dunno whose copy it was, yours Ted? or was it Carls or one of the Cavendish regulars? and maybe that was also the first nite I heard "You My Love" (a.k.a. Run Away Tami Lynn) through a big system, when would that have been, 80's? 90's?

Dave did you come down the nite Mick Smith was on as guest? I still think to this day in 4 decades that I've put in listening and dancing, that his set that nite was in the top 3 of all time. We told him to cut loose and play all the things he didn't normally have the chance to play. It was such a shame as so few people were there to hear his brilliance. This was when Max, Ken & I had a go at running it, not 100% sure, but after Pep 'n' Helen but possibly before Tait, Martyn, Lin & Davie? I can only date it by remembering it as being the venue where Roger Banks first started playing Kiss My Love Goodbye, which would date it as....? a dozen years back maybe, dunno?

The strange but wonderful Cavendish Club nite at the Wagon & Horses - I can tell you the story behind that if you like? When Jack Macdougal moved back to Scotland we kept the weekly soul club going by moving from the Wheatsheaf to the Wagon. Jack had created & overseen the Walsall based club, and in the process had set a record for the longest running weekly (non Niter) soul nite which never missed a week - can't remember now but maybe it was something like 7 1/2 years? - some ridiculously long time anyway, those of us who were regulars decided we didn't want to lose the club so kept it going for another few years. All told we never did miss a nite 52 thursdays a year, even when our regular thursday fell on xmas we still put it on. Typically you'd get a full house one week and 10 paying punters the next week, but it was where we met up to arrange lifts to that w'ends Niters etc - oh the simplicity of the scene before the interweb!

So, on the nite in question, when we turned up at The Cavendish people were starting to arrive and were being told the nite wasn't going to happen, so I suggested to Pep that I could go ask if the Wagon would let him have the room for that evening. After much begging and pleading the landlord agreed, so Pep posted some unfortunate soul by the Cavendish door to tell everyone where the pub was and off we all set. (I'm not sure now what reason we were told the nite couldn't go ahead at the Cavendish, maybe it was the room was double booked, or was it that there was no equipment?)

I kept my equipment in the pub most of the time so it was easy to set it up and the Cavendish nite went ahead with folk jammed in tight in the darkness, with equally as many upstairs in the lounge and bar rooms, even some out the back door onto the car park - even in those days we were ahead of the game, I'll bet the young 'un's today think they invented going outside to have a cool off and a smoke

To me that nite was like when I first went into a jammed 'Octopus' as a kid, and if one person danced everybody else did because you were all wedged together, so you kinda got caught in the swaying motion - Hi Ho Bloody Silver Lining indeed !!

Anyway back to the Wagon nite, I seem to remember being told by one old face that he'd tried to get downstairs but it was too full so he'd sat in the lounge all nite, but still got charged full money, " and so you should" I said, "You could still hear the brilliant music" Bet that didn't surprise anyone that he'd paid, what's the odds that the bar room regulars were charged that nite for occupying their usual seat in their own local !

The upshot of having that mega packed nite? - well the landlord expected us to be able to reproduce those numbers every thursday, which of course was impossible, so we lost our room, and the long running weekly club ended. Talk about no good deed going unpunished.

I enjoy these threads as we all have different bits to contribute, different memories, which all together help paint the picture that is our scene's history.

[dthedrug]

HI EVERY ONE

JUST COME ACCROSS THIS EARLY BLACK HORSE FLYER**JUST LOOK AT THE RARE SOUL DJs WHO PLAYED THERE TUNES DAVE KIL

[harpo1]

Have some great memories from the BH, all eras, even a few family weddings.

I remember the nite when Pep first went with two rooms, and Carl fortnum playing a blinder of a set in the converted cupboard room, as the screwed together dance floor disintigrated before our eyes - think Paul Everton (&/or Brocky maybe ?) were responsible for constructing the floor that afternoon, finishing with only minutes to spare? Did the first dj have to miss their spot because it wasn't quite finished in time, or am I imagining that?

Obviously too many uptempo numbers, perhaps a few more beat ballads would have made the floor last until the end of the nite? Saw and held the Kimtone labelled beauty that nite, dunno whose copy it was, yours Ted? or was it Carls or one of the Cavendish regulars? and maybe that was also the first nite I heard "You My Love" (a.k.a. Run Away Tami Lynn) through a big system, when would that have been, 80's? 90's?

Dave did you come down the nite Mick Smith was on as guest? I still think to this day in 4 decades that I've put in listening and dancing, that his set that nite was in the top 3 of all time. We told him to cut loose and play all the things he didn't normally have the chance to play. It was such a shame as so few people were there to hear his brilliance. This was when Max, Ken & I had a go at running it, not 100% sure, but after Pep 'n' Helen but possibly before Tait, Martyn, Lin & Davie? I can only date it by remembering it as being the venue where Roger Banks first started playing Kiss My Love Goodbye, which would date it as....? a dozen years back maybe, dunno?

The strange but wonderful Cavendish Club nite at the Wagon & Horses - I can tell you the story behind that if you like? When Jack Macdougal moved back to Scotland we kept the weekly soul club going by moving from the Wheatsheaf to the Wagon. Jack had created & overseen the Walsall based club, and in the process had set a record for the longest running weekly (non Niter) soul nite which never missed a week - can't remember now but maybe it was something like 7 1/2 years? - some ridiculously long time anyway, those of us who were regulars decided we didn't want to lose the club so kept it going for another few years. All told we never did miss a nite 52 thursdays a year, even when our regular thursday fell on xmas we still put it on. Typically you'd get a full house one week and 10 paying punters the next week, but it was where we met up to arrange lifts to that w'ends Niters etc - oh the simplicity of the scene before the interweb!

So, on the nite in question, when we turned up at The Cavendish people were starting to arrive and were being told the nite wasn't going to happen, so I suggested to Pep that I could go ask if the Wagon would let him have the room for that evening. After much begging and pleading the landlord agreed, so Pep posted some unfortunate soul by the Cavendish door to tell everyone where the pub was and off we all set. (I'm not sure now what reason we were told the nite couldn't go ahead at the Cavendish, maybe it was the room was double booked, or was it that there was no equipment?)

I kept my equipment in the pub most of the time so it was easy to set it up and the Cavendish nite went ahead with folk jammed in tight in the darkness, with equally as many upstairs in the lounge and bar rooms, even some out the back door onto the car park - even in those days we were ahead of the game, I'll bet the young 'un's today think they invented going outside to have a cool off and a smoke

To me that nite was like when I first went into a jammed 'Octopus' as a kid, and if one person danced everybody else did because you were all wedged together, so you kinda got caught in the swaying motion - Hi Ho Bloody Silver Lining indeed !!

Anyway back to the Wagon nite, I seem to remember being told by one old face that he'd tried to get downstairs but it was too full so he'd sat in the lounge all nite, but still got charged full money, " and so you should" I said, "You could still hear the brilliant music" Bet that didn't surprise anyone that he'd paid, what's the odds that the bar room regulars were charged that nite for occupying their usual seat in their own local !

The upshot of having that mega packed nite? - well the landlord expected us to be able to reproduce those numbers every thursday, which of course was impossible, so we lost our room, and the long running weekly club ended. Talk about no good deed going unpunished.

I enjoy these threads as we all have different bits to contribute, different memories, which all together help paint the picture that is our scene's history.

Hey John,

Do you remember that night at the Wagon and Horses, when Smokey stopped the music and did an half hour stand up comedy spot....unforgettable....i can still remember some of the gags...me and the "old' un" often have a giggle remembering that night.

Ah! the Octopus, used to love it down there, particularly liked Philco on a Sunday night, as well as the Sat. dinner jobby.

We're really pulling them out the bag here, where do we go next, Wolves Club, Esso, Ship 'n' Rainbow...or maybe even the "Rentasino" (Wednesfield rent offices to the uninitiated) and of course Willenhall Baths.....happy days old mate.

See you Friday night

Paul

[dthedrug]

Hey John,

Do you remember that night at the Wagon and Horses, when Smokey stopped the music and did an half hour stand up comedy spot....unforgettable....i can still remember some of the gags...me and the "old' un" often have a giggle remembering that night.

Ah! the Octopus, used to love it down there, particularly liked Philco on a Sunday night, as well as the Sat. dinner jobby.

We're really pulling them out the bag here, where do we go next, Wolves Club, Esso, Ship 'n' Rainbow...or maybe even the "Rentasino" (Wednesfield rent offices to the uninitiated) and of course Willenhall Baths.....happy days old mate.

See you Friday night

Paul

I REMEMBER SMOKEY BORROWING A PIZA DELIVERY VAN FOR A FEW DAYS..WHAT A COMIDIAN DAVE KIL