I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972 and I know many will disagree but just heard his new record "All About The Love Again" aboslute tosh. Even ardent SW fans have got to admit it's his worse yet. Sounds like it was written by Gilbert O'Sullivan

taxi for chrissie...............................

QoFxx

" side by side on my keyboard oh lord why can't we"

Now that deep soul ballad was after 72 i think

hey Steve I thought this one was your favourite?

"I just called,,,to say....I luurrrvve yoooooooo"

  chrissie said:

Sounds like it was written by Gilbert O'Sullivan

It is the very model of the bottom of the ba-a-rrel.

Edited May 15, 200916 yr by spirit

  chrissie said:

I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972 and I know many will disagree but just heard his new record "All About The Love Again" aboslute tosh. Even ardent SW fans have got to admit it's his worse yet. Sounds like it was written by Gilbert O'Sullivan

taxi for chrissie...............................

QoFxx

Poor old Stevie he never saw that coming

Gilbert O Sullivan wrote at least 3 outstanding classic songs. I know Stevie's written a lot more...but Alone Again Naturally, We Will and Nothing Rhymed are all classics. I like Gilbert.

  Pete S said:

Gilbert O Sullivan wrote at least 3 outstanding classic songs. I know Stevie's written a lot more...but Alone Again Naturally, We Will and Nothing Rhymed are all classics. I like Gilbert.

Not a Gilbert fan but do agree he wrote a few good ones, my comparison was that the style of SWs new record sounds like a GO's

QoFxx

  Pete S said:

Gilbert O Sullivan wrote at least 3 outstanding classic songs. I know Stevie's written a lot more...but Alone Again Naturally, We Will and Nothing Rhymed are all classics. I like Gilbert.

" Alone Again Naturally " is a first rate composition .

Esther Phillips' interpratation of the song is absolutely wonderful ........

Malc Burton

  chrissie said:

I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972

Yes, 'Songs In The Key Of Life' from 1976 is a pile of old tosh, what WAS he thinking about when he wrote that!

I'm a poorman's son, from across the railroad tracks,

The only shirt I own is hanging' on my back

He can sing what he like for me!

She's a pearl of a girl, I guess that's what you might say,

I guess her folks brought her up that way,

The right side of the tracks, she was born and raised

In a great big old house, full of butlers and maids.

No one is better than I, I know I'm just an average guy,

  chrissie said:

I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972 and I know many will disagree but just heard his new record "All About The Love Again" aboslute tosh. Even ardent SW fans have got to admit it's his worse yet. Sounds like it was written by Gilbert O'Sullivan

taxi for chrissie...............................

QoFxx

I don't think he's made a decent soul record since 67 Chrissie!

Long time sold out to the pseuds

Lenny

  Pete S said:

Gilbert O Sullivan wrote at least 3 outstanding classic songs. I know Stevie's written a lot more...but Alone Again Naturally, We Will and Nothing Rhymed are all classics. I like Gilbert.

Me too - we've praised Gilbert on here before, and rightly so...

Think it's unfair to say that he hasn't made a decent soul record since about 1967, given that he made his best real soul record, "I Don't Know Why", in 1969 and there's nothing wrong with things like "Signed, Sealed, Delivered (I'm Yours)", "All I Do" and "Living For The City", which all came after that.

For me, though, Stevie Wonder's last really good records were probably "Do I Do" and "That Girl" in 1981 and he's been trading on past glories ever since...

  chrissie said:

I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972

Hmmm....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Wonder#Classic_period:_1972.E2.80.931976

Totally speechless

  daved said:

Totally speechless

I know Dave.

The Secret Life Of Pla...

Oh what's the point.

  Soulsorts said:

Yes, 'Songs In The Key Of Life' from 1976 is a pile of old tosh, what WAS he thinking about when he wrote that!

Yes, what an absolute pile of crud that was. I remember being in Los Angeles when it came out and watching all these poor black people rushing to the stores to get hold of a copy as the stores couldn't keep the shelves stocked up fast enough as it was the fastest-selling Motown album of all time.

What on earth were they thinking? I remember thinking when I heard the lyrics to "Knocks Me Off My Feet" that you'd have to be blind to get away with lyrics like that......

Ian D

Blind?

Ian aren't you getting mixed up with Ray Charles?

Ok, top 5 musical crimes commited by Stevie Wonder in the 80s and 90s.

Suuuuubquestion is it fair to criticize a formerly great artist for his latest sins?

Is it in fact better to burn than to faaade awaay?

Barry in High Fidelity

AINT THIS THREAD ASKIN FOR TROUBLE YEH YEH YEH

  Dante said:

Ok, top 5 musical crimes commited by Stevie Wonder in the 80s and 90s.

Suuuuubquestion is it fair to criticize a formerly great artist for his latest sins?

Is it in fact better to burn than to faaade awaay?

Barry in High Fidelity

Yes my friend because rust never sleeps and I don't think Barry does, either

Hard to restrict myself to just five not so Wonderful SW tracks from the 80s and 80s, but these five are real stinkers:

1. Masterblaster

2. Ebony And Ivory

3. Lately

4. I Just Called To Say I Love You

5. Happy Birthday

...bad records that would be bad whoever made them.

Yes, it's fair to criticise the greats on the basis of poor later recordings. If they can't come up with the goods they should stop churning out records that devalue their best work. Not everyone can keep on producing consistently challenging music in the way that, say, Neil Young or Morrissey does.

As this thread is showing, people's memories of bad Stevie Wonder records is tending to obscure the fact that he actually made rather a lot of extremely good ones between 1962 and the early 80s.

"Living for the City" was the first album I bought (apart from Superbad)....although I would not play it now.......

  TONY ROUNCE said:

Yes my friend because rust never sleeps and I don't think Barry does, either

Hard to restrict myself to just five not so Wonderful SW tracks from the 80s and 80s, but these five are real stinkers:

1. Masterblaster

2. Ebony And Ivory

3. Lately

4. I Just Called To Say I Love You

5. Happy Birthday

...bad records that would be bad whoever made them.

I like Masterblaster. That track he had out in around 04/05 (So what the fuss) grew on me too. Ok he's guilty of some right pop tosh but hotter than july was a good album on the whole IMO.

Jayne.x

......no one has commented on the new single, which is what the thread is meant to be about .

QoFxx

  chrissie said:

......no one has commented on the new single, which is what the thread is meant to be about .

QoFxx

We're only into 60s Chrissie not this new stuff :(

  Steve G said:

We're only into 60s Chrissie not this new stuff

You've finally seen the light

QoFxx

  chrissie said:

......no one has commented on the new single, which is what the thread is meant to be about .

QoFxx

Hi,

Where can I hear it?

Jayne.x

  TONY ROUNCE said:

Yes my friend because rust never sleeps and I don't think Barry does, either

Hard to restrict myself to just five not so Wonderful SW tracks from the 80s and 80s, but these five are real stinkers:

1. Masterblaster

2. Ebony And Ivory

3. Lately

4. I Just Called To Say I Love You

5. Happy Birthday

...bad records that would be bad whoever made them.

Yes, it's fair to criticise the greats on the basis of poor later recordings. If they can't come up with the goods they should stop churning out records that devalue their best work. Not everyone can keep on producing consistently challenging music in the way that, say, Neil Young or Morrissey does.

As this thread is showing, people's memories of bad Stevie Wonder records is tending to obscure the fact that he actually made rather a lot of extremely good ones between 1962 and the early 80s.

Tony, that list is truly cringeworthy, but didn't they sell by the million? So could it not be the case he did 'come up with the goods' as far as he is concerned? Aren't/weren't all records released to hopefully sell?

  Miss BurySoul said:

Hi,

Where can I hear it?

Jayne.x

Not sure, I heard it on radio 2 this morning.

QoFxx

Here you go.

Suz

x

Pete you forgot 'Claire'.....lol....as for Stevie Wonder I'm not a huge fan but have a few Albums & my favorite which I've always adored is Fulfillingness First Finale which is from 1974, often play it.

KTF

Baz

  Pete S said:

Gilbert O Sullivan wrote at least 3 outstanding classic songs. I know Stevie's written a lot more...but Alone Again Naturally, We Will and Nothing Rhymed are all classics. I like Gilbert.

  Pete60 said:

Tony, that list is truly cringeworthy, but didn't they sell by the million? So could it not be the case he did 'come up with the goods' as far as he is concerned? Aren't/weren't all records released to hopefully sell?

They certainly did, mate, but all that proves to me is that you CAN fool lots of the people, lots of the time! I'm sure they gave Stevie's bank balance a hefty boost (and that they continue to do so) and that he's as proud of them as he is of "Superstition" and "Uptight", but the fact that they sold by the million doesn't actually make 'em good.

Boney M sold millions of records in the 70s. Did they come up with the goods even once?

You're right in saying that all records are released hopefully to sell, but that's not to say that all of those which do sell have merit. And I can't personally see any merit in any of the tracks I cited, even though millions of others obviously did.

  chrissie said:

I personally don't think Stevie Wonder has made a decent record since about 1972 and I know many will disagree but just heard his new record "All About The Love Again" aboslute tosh. Even ardent SW fans have got to admit it's his worse yet. Sounds like it was written by Gilbert O'Sullivan

taxi for chrissie...............................

QoFxx

Are you a Soul Suicide Bomber Chrissie?

That unprovoked poisonous little vitriole of yours speaks volumes.

Stevie Wonder has never been here just to please you and your tastes 'love', just to spread his genius to those able to understand.

I'll bet Stevie would pick holes in some of your 'going out' shoes over the years - if he could have seen 'em that is - but you didn't buy your shoes for Stevie to like did you?

Soooo....Stevie has made a few bad records and you have worn crap shoes.

Settled.

Jeez!

Some of you have deffo took the coat you thought your mates would like off and exposed the jumper you picked yourself haven't you?

Answers on an Attivan to...

www.ungratefulsorryuntalentedlistenerswithnowtbutamessageboardtolieupon.com

  Barry said:

Are you a Soul Suicide Bomber Chrissie?

That unprovoked poisonous little vitriole of yours speaks volumes.

Stevie Wonder has never been here just to please you and your tastes 'love', just to spread his genius to those able to understand.

I'll bet Stevie would pick holes in some of your 'going out' shoes over the years - if he could have seen 'em that is - but you didn't buy your shoes for Stevie to like did you?

Soooo....Stevie has made a few bad records and you have worn crap shoes.

Settled.

Point taken but is SW a soul singer, or someone who is now a pop singer? Not a opinion, before you put a price on my head. Just a question because I am iterested in what other people think

I often wonder if in real life you are as sexist as you come across on here or just come up with the sexist remarks cos you think its funny. Why the reference to shoes, why not to the records I have bought or the books I have read but of course I am female therefore I must buy lots of shoes............you really dont know me very well!!.

QoFxx

Edited May 16, 200916 yr by chrissie

  Soulsorts said:

Yes, 'Songs In The Key Of Life' from 1976 is a pile of old tosh, what WAS he thinking about when he wrote that!

I heard the new Stevie Wonder the other day on 2....middle of the road music, so far removed from soul

Never been a fan of Stevie..........not much of a soul output in the past 30 odd years...

...though I was taken by Sensuous Whisper from his Conversation Peace album in '95...quite a choon...

  Wrongcrowd said:

I heard the new Stevie Wonder the other day on 2....middle of the road music, so far removed from soul

Never been a fan of Stevie..........not much of a soul output in the past 30 odd years...

Not just me then

QoFxx

  chrissie said:

Point taken but is SW a soul singer, or someone who is now a pop singer? Not a opinion, before you put a price on my head. Just a question because I am iterested in what other people think

I often wonder if in real life you are as sexist as you come across on here or just come up with the sexist remarks cos you think its funny. Why the reference to shoes, why not to the records I have bought or the books I have read but of course I am female therefore I must buy lots of shoes............you really dont know me very well!!.

QoFxx

Yep, can vouch for that Chrissie...especially the high heels...

Lenny

  Wrongcrowd said:

I heard the new Stevie Wonder the other day on 2....middle of the road music, so far removed from soul

Never been a fan of Stevie..........not much of a soul output in the past 30 odd years...

...though I was taken by Sensuous Whisper from his Conversation Peace album in '95...quite a choon...

There is also a callboration with one of the Winans, that was a white label only which wasnt too bad in a 'dance' kinda way as mi remember from a few years back ?.

Russ

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Talented . . . beautiful . . . classy . . . Stevie's daughter Aisha . . .

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  webbydublin said:

That's nowt,mate! I bought The Secret Life Of Plants by him..it took 3 years to make and 3 days

to throw in the bin..............Absolute crap!!

stevie wonder was alright before he started making a load of "artistic" wank enough said

  Wrongcrowd said:

not much of a soul output in the past 30 odd years...

What utter bollocks.

  BIGSOULMAN said:

Yep, can vouch for that Chrissie...especially the high heels...

Lenny

shhh but only the one pair.

£300 for a pair of Jimmy Choos or £300 to spend on vinyl what do you think, 7" of plastic every time, no contest

QoFxx

I WENT TO STEVE WONDERS BIRTHDAY PARTY A FEW YEARS A GO ,I GAVE HIM A CHEESE GRATER. SPOKE TO HIM A FEW WEEKS LATER AND SAID HI STEVE DID YOU LIKE THE BIRTHDAY PRESENT ? 'BEST F**KING BOOK IV EVER READ ' HE SAID

  Wrongcrowd said:

Ok, fit's a fair cop.....I fogot about this ....great tune .....and I suppose I'd also overlooked Another Star....

Yep, thats the baby......not sure if its legit or not, took me a while to get this few years back.

Thanks mate.

Russ

I agree he is pant's not heard the new one... but he sold out long ago..

but saying that I do spin "Contract of love" when i'm out and I love it... more so then "asking for trouble"....

Looks like we are all agreed then - after much discussion Mr Wonder HAS in fact made some decent music since the 1960's.

Next !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread should be locked. There's really no point to it. The innovator Stevie Wonder has produced another record that is not really accessable to the Northern Dance crowd. Big deal! He must be mighty worried about that.

Chrissie, why don't you post up some more threads that are positive about things you like and admire etc etc instead of a thread that gives opportunities for people to make bad jokes about a blind man. No-one can seriously doubt the talent of Stevie Wonder. You may not enjoy all of his output but there's a lot to choose from.

Keep it sensible. The world is a nice place.

Kev

  Kev Moore said:

Chrissie, why don't you post up some more threads that are positive about things you like and admire etc etc instead of a thread that gives opportunities for people to make bad jokes about a blind man. No-one can seriously doubt the talent of Stevie Wonder. You may not enjoy all of his output but there's a lot to choose from.

Keep it sensible. The world is a nice place.

Kev

I do post about things I like but your statement is a bit of an oxymoron, as if I only posted about things I like, many people wouldn't agree to so they would critisise my taste So are we only allowed to discuss things that everyone likes....................end of forum me thinks.

One of the reasons the scene has survived is because we all have varying tastes, I just don't happen to like much of what SW has done in the last 25 years or so and I don't like Aretha Franklin either but that's another debate

I don't see why discussing whether SW is still a soul singer or is now a pop singer is wrong and I personally have not made any jokes about him being blind so please can you direct your criticism at the person who posted the jokes and not me.

Much of what I collect I wouldn't really class as soul more of 60s girlie pop but it seems to work and people dance to it but I am open about not classing it as soul.

QoFxx

  chrissie said:

I do post about things I like but your statement is a bit of an oxymoron, as if I only posted about things I like, many people wouldn't agree to so they would critisise my taste So are we only allowed to discuss things that everyone likes....................end of forum me thinks.

One of the reasons the scene has survived is because we all have varying tastes, I just don't happen to like much of what SW has done in the last 25 years or so and I don't like Aretha Franklin either but that's another debate

I don't see why discussing whether SW is still a soul singer or is now a pop singer is wrong and I personally have not made any jokes about him being blind so please can you direct your criticism at the person who posted the jokes and not me.

Much of what I collect I wouldn't really class as soul more of 60s girlie pop but it seems to work and people dance to it but I am open about not classing it as soul.

QoFxx

No dramas here Chrissie. I was incensed when I read the Stevie (blind joke). I don't like prejudice, so felt I had to comment.

It obviously wasn't aimed at you.

The reason for my first reply was I couldn't understand why, if you don't particularly like Stevie Wonder's contempary pop music and I agree it's not his best you would open it up for debate on a Soul forum when it just doesn't even nearly touch what would normally cross into your world. You've said you don't like his output from the early 70's onwards so why bother opening it up unless you want to be persuaded otherwise that's all. There's no point.

Kev

  Kev Moore said:

No dramas here Chrissie. I was incensed when I read the Stevie (blind joke). I don't like prejudice, so felt I had to comment.

It obviously wasn't aimed at you.

The reason for my first reply was I couldn't understand why, if you don't particularly like Stevie Wonder's contempary pop music and I agree it's not his best you would open it up for debate on a Soul forum when it just doesn't even nearly touch what would normally cross into your world. You've said you don't like his output from the early 70's onwards so why bother opening it up unless you want to be persuaded otherwise that's all. There's no point.

Kev

Good on yer Kev for speaking up against what was an utterly crass, and utterly crap joke. And the word 'joke' is used advisedly.

I must be missing something here folks. Not made a decent record since 1972 you say?

'Innervisions', released in 1973. A work of absolute majesty imho. 'He's Misstra Know-It-All' ...anyone?

Nobody made any mention of his live performances either. Did anyone have the good fortune of seeing him in concert last year? Well I did, and he was astounding, with the finest rhythm section I've ever heard. And I've seen some rhythm sections...!

Just wanted to bid this thread adieu on an uptight/beat note...