What Are The Top 3 Uk Holy Grails For Collecting

[Garethx]

I must say from the off that I don't collect Uk issues but this has been a tremendously enjoyable and informative read.

An example of the forum at its best. Thanks to all who have contributed.

[Becket]

Hi Tom,

You SURE about the Dee Dee Sharp - A Most Unusual Boy. Wasn't that the Shirelles?

Or, did you mean Dee Dee Sharp - He's No Ordinary Guy b/w Never Pick A Pretty Boy?

Denbo.

Have got this completely wrong................. It's...........

Dee Dee Sharp : It's a funny situation / There ain't nothing I wouldn't do (cameo Parkway C 382)

Cheers.............. Tom.

[Denbo]

Have got this completely wrong................. It's...........

Dee Dee Sharp : It's a funny situation / There ain't nothing I wouldn't do (cameo Parkway C 382)

Cheers.............. Tom.

Aah, that's more like it.

So, you think you saw one on eBay a while back?

UK issue. Or was it a Demo?

Pity you didn't keep a copy of the scan.

Now, does it actually exist? Was it ever released? Or, if it does exist at all, is it just as a Demo, or a test pressing?

If anybody has got a scan of it, please post it up.

Ta.

[Sean Hampsey]

Aah, that's more like it.

So, you think you saw one on eBay a while back?

UK issue. Or was it a Demo?

Pity you didn't keep a copy of the scan.

Now, does it actually exist? Was it ever released? Or, if it does exist at all, is it just as a Demo, or a test pressing?

If anybody has got a scan of it, please post it up.

Ta.

I don't believe "Funny Situation" / "There Aint Nothing i Wouldn't Do For You" came out on the UK in any form.

I picked up a UK Cameo Parkway "I Really Love You" / "Standing In The Need Of Love" on UK Demo (for 10p) back in the 70's (turns up regularly)... but "There Aint Nothing" was always known as the 'US Only' one (I've got a pic cover copy of the US copy, tucked away).

Sean

[dthedrug]

Hi ALL

as a record collector of SOUL/ R&B/BLUES, REGGAE/ SKA / ROCK STREADY AND GOOD QUALITY POP!!

I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE B&C LABELS ESPECIALLY DEMOS FOR EXAMPLE ACTION DEMOS AND EVEN ISLAND DEMOS WITH 3&6 THATS 3 SHILLINGS AND SIXPENCE STAMED ON THEM I CLASS THESE AND SIMULAR AS DEMOS BECOUSE THEY ALL COME FROM ORIGANALY MUSIC CITY SHOPS IN HARLSDON HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE A DEFINANT ANSWER ON THIS SUBJECT?.

BUT IF REGGAE WAS TREATED IN THE SAME WAY AS WE COLLECT RARE UK SOUL WHAT WOULD BE A HOLY GRAIL? MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THESE WHAT DO YOU THINK? SORRY PETE AINT GOT THE LIQUIDATOR! FORGET ABOUT PRE RELEASES AND ALL THAT THESE ARE YOUR ACTUAL DEMOS, HOW RARE ARE THEY? DAVE KIL

Edited May 19, 2009 by dthedrug

[Guest CapitolSC]

Is that Lloyd & Glen or vice versa, don't think there is a Glenn Llloyd however I may be wrong.

OOPS its lloyd glenn Pete just dug it out to have a butchers mate.

100% mental stomper 80s stylee great brass goin on there.

If anyones got one put it up please i cant do it

cheers

Al H

[Ted Massey]

Here is my copy of BM notice it came from the BBC Library

[Sheldonsoul]

Here is my copy of BM notice it came from the BBC Library

bbc libary know that would be a dream come true

[Denbo]

Here is my copy of BM notice it came from the BBC Library

And here's me thinking this was going to be a BLACK issue?

[Ted Massey]

And here's me thinking this was going to be a BLACK issue?

kind a dissapointing aint it

[Guest noss]

" I've only ever had 2 copies of Timi Yuro. Sold one of them on here earlier this year for £400 in VG+.

The patrice Holloway is very rare, especially as a stock copy".

Timi Yuro can't be truely rare in comparison to the price it goes for though can it? I mean, even I have one. A case of demand over supply of a scarce item rather than true rarity. I would be interested to know from those with more knowledge if rare UK soul records are generally more common then US ones, possibly due to the nature of our national recording industry having no true inde record labels at the time?

[Julianb]

Here is my copy of BM notice it came from the BBC Library

Mine is identical but has the 4 prong cut-out centre - the SWONS?

Julian

[Guest Dante]

Hi ALL

as a record collector of SOUL/ R&B/BLUES, REGGAE/ SKA / ROCK STREADY AND GOOD QUALITY POP!!

I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE B&C LABELS ESPECIALLY DEMOS FOR EXAMPLE ACTION DEMOS AND EVEN ISLAND DEMOS WITH 3&6 THATS 3 SHILLINGS AND SIXPENCE STAMED ON THEM I CLASS THESE AND SIMULAR AS DEMOS BECOUSE THEY ALL COME FROM ORIGANALY MUSIC CITY SHOPS IN HARLSDON HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE A DEFINANT ANSWER ON THIS SUBJECT?.

BUT IF REGGAE WAS TREATED IN THE SAME WAY AS WE COLLECT RARE UK SOUL WHAT WOULD BE A HOLY GRAIL? MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THESE WHAT DO YOU THINK? SORRY PETE AINT GOT THE LIQUIDATOR! FORGET ABOUT PRE RELEASES AND ALL THAT THESE ARE YOUR ACTUAL DEMOS, HOW RARE ARE THEY? DAVE KIL

HI there,

I believe the first one is JA Pama, it doesn't have the uk center. Besides, my JA Pama copy of Pat Kelly - How Long has the same design (full artist and track names, of course). About the other ones, I don't think they're so rare, as its the normal issue with a rubber stamp on it

" I've only ever had 2 copies of Timi Yuro. Sold one of them on here earlier this year for £400 in VG+.

The patrice Holloway is very rare, especially as a stock copy".

Timi Yuro can't be truely rare in comparison to the price it goes for though can it? I mean, even I have one. A case of demand over supply of a scarce item rather than true rarity. I would be interested to know from those with more knowledge if rare UK soul records are generally more common then US ones, possibly due to the nature of our national recording industry having no true inde record labels at the time?

Hahahah. Don't be so hard on yourself

[Ady Croasdell]

Here is my copy of BM notice it came from the BBC Library

That's the copy spirited away by me for Tony Ellis as a bet!

[Ted Massey]

That's the copy spirited away by me for Tony Ellis as a bet!

your right Adey it has Ellis stamped on the other side i think he use to mark all his records with that green dot i have a few more

[Rich Buckley]

And here's the one I got in that British hall a few years ago....

Rich

[Guest]

Denbo, Rod and anyone else interested,

the link to the unique UK press of the

AMBASSADORS - if I'm all you got (I'm all you need) vocal & inst. - Jox 005 /6

has now been fixed

to view and listen - follow this link

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/rarest-of-the-rare/2

scroll down it's the 11th. record.

[Denbo]

Denbo, Rod and anyone else interested,

the link to the unique UK press of the

AMBASSADORS - if I'm all you got (I'm all you need) vocal & inst. - Jox 005 /6

has now been fixed

to view and listen - follow this link

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/rarest-of-the-rare/2

scroll down it's the 11th. record.

MAGIC!!! Thanks John.

Crackin' stomper.

Can't remember now but did we ever get to see a scan of the proper Jox label? Or are we only ever gonna see this label-less version?

PS - Is that the one and only UK released label on the whole of your 'Rarest Of The Rare' section???

Edited May 20, 2009 by denbo

[Guest]

MAGIC!!! Thanks John.

Crackin' stomper.

Can't remember now but did we ever get to see a scan of the proper Jox label? Or are we only ever gonna see this label-less version?

Denbo,

I believe it was Test Press only. The JOX comes from the deadwax matrix which is the only clue to it's label name. JOX 005 / 006 is machine stamped (if I remember correctly) in.

The interesting thing on this release; is that the Instrumental version never got issued in the USA, and the vocal version was LP only, off the SOUL SUMMIT album.

So altogether a very weird and unusual release, by the feel of it, I guessed it was a 1970 press. Obviously Arctic records last USA releases were 1969. Maybe it was due for a ACTION release or something like. I've been keeping an eye-out for any UK 45 JOX in the deadwax, not found any yet, maybe someone else may come across it.

john

[Denbo]

Denbo,

I believe it was Test Press only. The JOX comes from the deadwax matrix which is the only clue to it's label name. JOX 005 / 006 is machine stamped (if I remember correctly) in.

The interesting thing on this release; is that the Instrumental version never got issued in the USA, and the vocal version was LP only, off the SOUL SUMMIT album.

So altogether a very weird and unusual release, by the feel of it, I guessed it was a 1970 press. Obviously Arctic records last USA releases were 1969. Maybe it was due for a ACTION release or something like. I've been keeping an eye-out for any UK 45 JOX in the deadwax, not found any yet, maybe someone else may come across it.

john

Thanks for the feedback / info.

Is that the one and only UK released label on the whole of your 'Rarest Of The Rare' section???

[Gene-r]

Never seen that Venus label, anything else on it? Presumably that's the same Alan Martin on Rio...

Personally I prefer the Sensations version of 'Loser' on Doctor Bird, but the Harriott's a good 'un too.

Where's that Ray Barretto from? That's never British on Pink Elephant, surely?

The Pink Elephant labels I've seen come from either The Netherlands or Turkey, and they've always been by Shocking Blue. Wonder if this is the same label (despite the "All Rights Reserved" around the label edge)?

Pete??

Edited May 20, 2009 by Gene-R

[Pete S]

The Pink Elephant labels I've seen come from either The Netherlands or Turkey, and they've always been by Shocking Blue. Wonder if this is the same label (despite the "All Rights Reserved" around the label edge)?

Pete??

I honestly don't know Gene, I thought it was Belgian but most people are saying it's from Holland.

[Guest john s]

Pink Elephant and Blue Elephant were both labels owned by DURECO (the DUtch REcord COmpany). Lots of nice stuff on there in different genres, LPs as well as 45s.

[tim smithers]

I have "Soul Drummers" on the Dutch Fania label.

Cheers Paul

I have an Argintina issue with a different flip

[Pete S]

Pink Elephant and Blue Elephant were both labels owned by DURECO (the DUtch REcord COmpany). Lots of nice stuff on there in different genres, LPs as well as 45s.

https://www.discogs.com/label/Blue+Elephant

[steve]

When I had this I think I got it from you didn't I Tabs ? @ £20 .Never had a chance on another , wish I'd kept it .......Best,Eddie

I got my Chapter 5 off tabs for £20 wish I still had that too

[Ted Massey]

Denbo,

I believe it was Test Press only. The JOX comes from the deadwax matrix which is the only clue to it's label name. JOX 005 / 006 is machine stamped (if I remember correctly) in.

The interesting thing on this release; is that the Instrumental version never got issued in the USA, and the vocal version was LP only, off the SOUL SUMMIT album.

So altogether a very weird and unusual release, by the feel of it, I guessed it was a 1970 press. Obviously Arctic records last USA releases were 1969. Maybe it was due for a ACTION release or something like. I've been keeping an eye-out for any UK 45 JOX in the deadwax, not found any yet, maybe someone else may come across it.

john

Any one got a full version of Vocal or Inst they can post in Refosoul?

[Guest john s]

https://www.discogs.com/label/Blue+Elephant

https://www.discogs.com/label/Pink+Elephant

Couple of nice Fania bits there!

[Guest]

Hi ALL

as a record collector of SOUL/ R&B/BLUES, REGGAE/ SKA / ROCK STREADY AND GOOD QUALITY POP!!

I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE B&C LABELS ESPECIALLY DEMOS FOR EXAMPLE ACTION DEMOS AND EVEN ISLAND DEMOS WITH 3&6 THATS 3 SHILLINGS AND SIXPENCE STAMED ON THEM I CLASS THESE AND SIMULAR AS DEMOS BECOUSE THEY ALL COME FROM ORIGANALY MUSIC CITY SHOPS IN HARLSDON HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE A DEFINANT ANSWER ON THIS SUBJECT?.

BUT IF REGGAE WAS TREATED IN THE SAME WAY AS WE COLLECT RARE UK SOUL WHAT WOULD BE A HOLY GRAIL? MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THESE WHAT DO YOU THINK? SORRY PETE AINT GOT THE LIQUIDATOR! FORGET ABOUT PRE RELEASES AND ALL THAT THESE ARE YOUR ACTUAL DEMOS, HOW RARE ARE THEY? DAVE KIL

Never seen demo copys of these before there rare. I was once told that the sue labels if ther have a black line in the top right hand corner that they are demos is this correct ?

[Pete S]

Never seen demo copys of these before there rare. I was once told that the sue labels if ther have a black line in the top right hand corner that they are demos is this correct ?

No, thats a long established rumour - they are actually using up stock of their old labels which say "licensed from Sue Records USA" and ther black box is simply overprinting that to cover up that wording.

[Denbo]

No, thats a long established rumour - they are actually using up stock of their old labels which say "licensed from Sue Records USA" and ther black box is simply overprinting that to cover up that wording.

UK Sue Demos, believe it or not, are stock copies, rubber stamped with a black letter A about 1" in height.

[Pete S]

UK Sue Demos, believe it or not, are stock copies, rubber stamped with a black letter A about 1" in height.

True, usually stamped on the centre

[Denbo]

True, usually stamped on the centre

Have only ever seen about two or three and they have always been anywhere but the centre. Guess they weren't very accurate with their stamping.

[Pete S]

Have only ever seen about two or three and they have always been anywhere but the centre. Guess they weren't very accurate with their stamping.

Got one here - Jerry Butler - I stand accused..

[Denbo]

Got one here - Jerry Butler - I stand accused..

So, I take it that one has the 'A' stamped in the middle?

I've got Betty Everett's - I've Got A Claim On You. And it's for sale. Any takers? PM me with best offer. From memory, it's in Ex- condition.

[Eddie Hubbard]

No it didn't

Julian

Why , did you get it Julian ? Cheers ,Eddie

[Sebastian]

UK Sue Demos, believe it or not, are stock copies, rubber stamped with a black letter A about 1" in height.

Some examples from Popsike:

Edited May 21, 2009 by Sebastian

[Denbo]

Some examples from Popsike:

Yep, like I said, rubber stamped 'A' anywhere BUT centre.

Nice one Seb.

[Guest]

Yep, like I said, rubber stamped 'A' anywhere BUT centre.

Nice one Seb.

just out of interest what were the red and white sue labels ? had booby parker barefootin on one of these

col

[Guest]

just out of interest what were the red and white sue labels ? had booby parker barefootin on one of these

col

i meant bobby ! what a tit ?

[Guest]

i meant bobby ! what a tit ?

I think your thinking of the island label

[Pete S]

I think your thinking of the island label

He is, definitely

[Guest]

He is, definitely

your right like i said what a tit

[Sean Hampsey]

i meant bobby ! what a tit ?

You meant Robert!

[Guest]

You meant Robert!

yep thats it next post>>>> how many posts did it take colboy to not only get to the right label but also the right artist lol!!!!

[Ady Potts]

For instance was it Amazing Dancing Band "Deep blue train" on Verve? .

Never seen an issue of that I don't think, only demos - very bizarre track, I once found their LP and it was all cover versions of chart hits - except for that track.

I was just going through me British, forgot I'd got one of these. Just played it bet they never sold many copies on release It's just that I like Verve sleeves & I need records to put in them.

[Sheldonsoul]

Just read all of this old thread I started about uk holy grails and found it strange no one mentioned the darrell banks issue

[Steve G]

Perhaps some of us didn't know it existed on an issue……Just saying like.

[Pete S]

Perhaps some of us didn't know it existed on an issue……Just saying like.

 

You are right Steve, nobody thought it existed.

[Steve G]

You are right Steve, nobody thought it existed.

 

Exactly……even one Mick Smith doesn't have…..  

Edited June 16, 2014 by Steve G