It Might Be Me But....

[Guest]

So can't we just leave it at that? If you're going somewhere where you're not sure of the policy or what one of the DJ's plays, and the possibility of a few modern tracks (whatever your interpretation of that term) might spoil your snivelling, whining, miserable, godforsaken lives, then just ask on here beforehand, or even, shock horror, phone the promoter and ask them to talk you through the expected proceedings for the night.

But I guess that would mean you couldn't argue ad nauseam for several more thousand posts

And if we're forming a hit squad to take out Benny Troy, count me in It's mainly his hair that vexes me.

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[Guest Beeks]

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't tell me we are now judging music quality by the performers haircuts now that would be a snivelling, whining, miserable, godforsaken life

Edited May 11, 2009 by Beeks

[Ian Parker]

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[Hermanthegerman]

I'm on your side! Nothing bugs me more at a venue when there IS a modern room (each to their own but most definitely not MY bag) and the d.j's start playing it in the main room.....aggggggggggh!

Completely agree with this.

I don´t mind a little modern soul in a DJ´s set (if it´s good tunes )

But if there´s more than half an hour of it, it starts to annoy me big time. Same with R&B, if it´s too "rocknrolly" and crossover stuff, if it´s too shallow, if you know what I mean.

OK, seems I can´t stand soul- music, should try to grow my remaining hair

and listen to heavy- metal.

Edited May 11, 2009 by hermanthegerman

[Epic]

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't tell me we are now judging music quality by the performers haircuts now that would be a snivelling, whining, miserable, godforsaken life

Hair not withstanding - please explain to me where any part of the Benny Troy tune resembles soul music ?

Think somebody mentioned the Love Boat theme earlier in the thread - can't see much difference between that & I Wanna Give You Tomorrow TBH !!

[Guest]

But it's not all Northern Soul, that's the point.

Beeks made a good point about comparing it with rock music. I love punk but can't stand heavy metal.

Why do I have to like Northern AND Modern when they are two worlds apart?

I f*cking hate it when people say you should love all soul music, it's utter b*llocks. Does that mean we have to like this crap served up in the charts as R&B as well?

Good post Pete (imho)

[Guest]

Completely agree with this.

I don´t mind a little modern soul in a DJ´s set (if it´s good tunes )

But if there´s more than half an hour of it, it starts to annoy me big time. Same with R&B, if it´s too "rocknroly" and crossover stuff, if it´s too shallow, if you know what I mean.

OK, seems I can´t stand soul- music, should try to grow my remaining hair

and listen to heavy- metal.

Seperated at birth you and I my Germanic cous t'would appear!

[pikeys dog]

So R&B DJ's look like Brad Pitt then Beeks

Now at least I know where Pikeys Dog gets his username from

Sorry Joe but couldn't resist it mate

Bloody Hell, I try and keep out of an argument and keep getting drawn in...

Brad Pitts six pack may be a hit with the Girls, but my Party Seven is a hit with the Women.

Boom Boom.

[pikeys dog]

Still leaving the dig at Joe "Disco" Dutton though, bet you've never heard him do a 70's set. You'd be surprised

Must be mixing me up with someone else Martin, don't you know I'm a One-Trick Rock & Roll Pony?

[Guest bish]

Completely agree, most modern soul is utter crap to my ears, rather enjoy listening to good R&B tunes.

well said

[Spanner]

well said

r/b = rock and roll

[Hermanthegerman]

r/b = rock and roll

Give you a big &

[Guest familytree]

I always find these threads irresistable!

I started going to "northern" clubs in either December '71 or January '72, thereabouts. It wasn't even called "northern soul" then. Archie Bell's "Here I go again" was being played as a track off a new release import album.

By the time I was a regular at Wigan (early '74) I was dancing to things like the Salvadors etc which were often only 2 or 3 years old at the time. By the end of '74 things like Carstairs, Lou Edwards, Mel Britt etc were monsters, all, again only a couple of years old.

"Modern" has always been played if you take those tunes as a measure. I recall in the late seventies being bemused by people trying to 'stomp' to Todays People - though they clearly thought it was "northern" and were having an excellent time without worrying about when it was made.

And as a final point, I was at the first Nottm Palais Revival (oldies) alldayer in the late 80's, and I heard a couple of guys (who would have been the same sort of age I am now) in thier fifties, say "its not been the same since they stopped playing Howling Wolf"!

Dave Godin always said if we stop listening to new music we'll become the new "Teddy boys" - and how right he was, look at the trend for people to have made the clothes they wore 'back in the day' - bar towels etc.

So, as I, and many others, have said before, its not about the date on the label its what's in the grooves!

Best,

RB

spot on.. wise old dave godin!

[Cunnie]

Must be mixing me up with someone else Martin, don't you know I'm a One-Trick Rock & Roll Pony?

Is this the same Joe who was at one of our Modernism nights a while back

Not be needing the Al Mason any more then Joe

[pikeys dog]

Must have a Doppelganger.

Who would have thought that there would be two men as handsome as me in Sheffield?

[Guest SoulRenaissance]

i may be wrong but" wigan casino "was the biggest northern soul allnighter playing northern and "modern" in the mainroom same with the pier at morecambe but are you talking about stuff released in 2000+ or stuff released in the 70,80,90 that is classed as modern could you explain your definision of modern soul please

Hit the nail on the head there. But if were talking Northern, we can discount all the 'slow' midtempo stuff played since 79 because Sam Fletcher, Ketty Lester, etc. etc. ain't Northern if we define them as what the original term was that Dave Godin termed are they? And probably 50% of tunes played since then, but maybe they don't like anything since 1970, and only like 60's?

What is Northern? What is Modern? Why be fascist about it? Northern is a feeling, it either fits or it don't? Regardless of style or era.

Yeah let's have a definition of what Modern is?

[Guest]

Hit the nail on the head there. But if were talking Northern, we can discount all the 'slow' midtempo stuff played since 79 because Sam Fletcher, Ketty Lester, etc. etc. ain't Northern if we define them as what the original term was that Dave Godin termed are they? And probably 50% of tunes played since then, but maybe they don't like anything since 1970, and only like 60's?

What is Northern? What is Modern? Why be fascist about it? Northern is a feeling, it either fits or it don't? Regardless of style or era.

Yeah let's have a definition of what Modern is?

A good old perjorative word there to describe what is only peoples opinions; and we all have them

Your argument that "it either fits or it don't" is futile in so far as certain records or styles of music will not 'fit' in to everyones taste. E.g. Two records that have been under a certain amount of scrutiny of late are Ray Pollard & Benny Troy. They both 'fit' because they have stood the test of time. However there will be many that view either or both of them as dreary turds; ergo, they don't 'fit'

Edited May 11, 2009 by mikecook

[Guest SoulRenaissance]

A good old perjorative word there to describe what is only peoples opinions; and we all have them

Your argument that "it either fits or it don't" is futile in so far as certain records or styles of music will not 'fit' in to everyones taste. E.g. Two records that have been under a certain amount of scrutiny of late are Ray Pollard & Benny Troy. They both 'fit' because they have stood the test of time. However there will be many that view either or both of them as dreary turds; ergo, they don't 'fit'

A good point, but certain 60's Northern records are not my cup of tea like the Ellusions "Didn't have to leave". But they'd still be classed as Northern.

The point i was trying to make as 'what fits'. In 1970 Ann Sexton's "You've been gone" wouldn't have gone, but 1974?75? If this ain't 70's Northern at it's finest i don't know what is. The problem is the boring farts who want to keep it all 60's wouldn't have it.

It don't matter what the style. 60's/ 70's/ Crossover/ Modern/ or R'n'B, if it's good should be played.

It's all Northern (although that's a redundant term, can't think of another). They're just different styles.

Funk, who'd have thought they'd be playing that now. But they are, it's what fits!

Although i'd sympathise with the complainant if an hour of new release/ 90's Modern was played at a 'Northern' venue. So is it clear who stands where on this issue?

Martyn

[Guest Bicks]

So can't we just leave it at that? If you're going somewhere where you're not sure of the policy or what one of the DJ's plays, and the possibility of a few modern tracks (whatever your interpretation of that term) might spoil your snivelling, whining, miserable, godforsaken lives, then just ask on here beforehand, or even, shock horror, phone the promoter and ask them to talk you through the expected proceedings for the night.

But I guess that would mean you couldn't argue ad nauseam for several more thousand posts

And if we're forming a hit squad to take out Benny Troy, count me in It's mainly his hair that vexes me.

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