It Might Be Me But....

[Sharon Cooper]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

Edited May 10, 2009 by bridget

[Dave West]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

TOTALLY AGREE

[Cunnie]

Here we go again

[Hermanthegerman]

Completely agree, most modern soul is utter crap to my ears, rather enjoy listening to good R&B tunes.

[Sharon Cooper]

Got to ask...............Do you like Soul Music??

expected a few fireworks, also expected comments like this, obviously from somebody who hasn't got a clue about me.

[Maxwell]

[John A]

Got to ask...............Do you like Soul Music??

I agree with him.. don't like soul music but love northern soul,big difference yeah?

[Guest]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

dunno - but it has also allowed disco, r&b, rock & roll, house etc to sneak in - it definitely ain't 'northern'

[Simon M]

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Modern-...rom-t31736.html

[Chalky]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

and I thought you were a promoter of "across the board soul music"

[Maxwell]

and I thought you were a promoter of "across the board soul music"

Nice one!

[Dave]

Here we go again

Slightly suppressive post for a moderator, no?

[Cunnie]

Slightly suppressive post for a moderator, no?

Us Mods are allowed a point of view as well Dave besides not a Mod for this forum so just a mere mortal in here like you

[Hermanthegerman]

Get off your dinosaur,mate.............Soul is soul R'N'B is..........................Just shite really!!!!

Better riding dinosaurs than wearing flares

[Dave]

Get off your dinosaur,mate.............Soul is soul R'N'B is..........................Just shite really!!!!

You should adjust your skirt. Your prejudices are showing.

[Dave]

Us Mods are allowed a point of view as well Dave besides not a Mod for this forum so just a mere mortal in here like you

Best of both worlds then, eh?

[Cunnie]

Best of both worlds then, eh?

Yep

Bit like my taste in music - Like both kinds of Soul, Modern & Modern oldies

[Guest]

Yep

Bit like my taste in music - Like both kinds of Soul, Modern & Modern oldies

good answer

[Pete S]

I agree with him.. don't like soul music but love northern soul,big difference yeah?

Spot on.

[Epic]

Historically Modern Soul has ALWAYS been played at Northern venues.

Intrigues

Niteliters

Millie Jackson

First Choice

Tavares

Brainstorm

etc.etc.etc. - the list is endless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest posstot]

Get off your dinosaur,mate.............Soul is soul R'N'B is..........................Just shite really!!!!

What's that coming over the hill?? Is it a Monster...No It's a dinosaur, and another, and another, and another....

............And I've just ridden into town on mine....SOUL IS SOUL, RnB is..............Just shite??????

"WHAT YOU TALKIN' 'BOUT WILLIS"

[Pete S]

Historically Modern Soul has ALWAYS been played at Northern venues.

Intrigues

Niteliters

Millie Jackson

First Choice

Tavares

Brainstorm

etc.etc.etc. - the list is endless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think anyone's disputing that but the point was that someone played an hours worth of modern at a northern night. 2 records is surely enough.

Bit like if I played an hour of reggae at a northern night - people would be expecting to hear NS.

[Guest posstot]

.............and we loved 'em!!

In the begginning there was RnB.....which grew into RnB/ Soul......with grew into Soul/Funk/ Disco.... which grew into disco/ jazz funk /Garage/ House/ Kylie and Girls aloud. I know which i prefer.....THE REAL DEAL where it originated as Soul music late fifties through the sixties.....because it all went a bit bum tish, bum tish, bum tish, bum tish after that....and too many buttons became involved......toooooohhhoooooo!

[Hermanthegerman]

.................And when was the last time you were on a dinosaur!!??

´bout the same time as you were wearing flares...

[Guest]

I don't think anyone's disputing that but the point was that someone played an hours worth of modern at a northern night. 2 records is surely enough.

Bit like if I played an hour of reggae at a northern night - people would be expecting to hear NS.

that is the crux of it all for me

I once traveled from Poole, Dorset all the way to Peterborough for a 'Northern Soul' all-nighter. I was thoroughly disappointed when I got there to hear hours of stuff from one DJ that didn't sound remotely like the music I was expecting; it sounded more like the stuff you could hear in a nightclub in Bournemouth - a mere 20 minute bus ride from Poole.

I'm not saying that it was all rubbish, some of it was quite good, but not what I had travelled 100's of miles to hear for hours on end. The result for me was that I will never again attend a venue where that DJ plays.

[Chalky]

I don't think anyone's disputing that but the point was that someone played an hours worth of modern at a northern night. 2 records is surely enough.

Bit like if I played an hour of reggae at a northern night - people would be expecting to hear NS.

what was the night advertised as? we are assuming it was advertised as a 60's northern night. Can we see a flyer or the advert?

[Rhino]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

i may be wrong but" wigan casino "was the biggest northern soul allnighter playing northern and "modern" in the mainroom same with the pier at morecambe but are you talking about stuff released in 2000+ or stuff released in the 70,80,90 that is classed as modern could you explain your definision of modern soul please

[Mark S]

The strange world of Northern Soul I know lets have an across the board event it will keep everybody happy , it will honestly it will it will it will

[Sharon Cooper]

Yet if you go to a modern night you will find 90% of the people there have come from the northern ranks and are extremly knowledgable and appriciative of all gendre of soul (open minded). Perhaps if you mentioned the venue you were at the promoter could answer your question, was it billed as a northern only night or across the board, were people actually dancing and enjoying the modern stuff, was the night about the majority there who just wanted to dance and have a good time or chin strokers pis*ing up each others backs about who knows more about obscure records.

Questions Questions perhaps you could start your own northern only night, but then you've just pulled out of your own night that was doing exactly the same as the one your no doubt whining about, So I really think you should know better. Perhaps you'll have a better night at Willington next week, now it's gone back to regressive soul.

John

John

You obviously know Chris, but I don`t think he has the `benefit` of knowing you. Now far be it from me to jump to conclusions but I sense a tad bit of sarcasm here without you having the advantage of knowledge or facts! `Pulled out of...` is not really the correct terminology but to go into details about why he decided to move on from a soul night which he had been more than instrumental in running over the last 7 years was not the purpose of this thread and not really anyones business! I can`t think that Chris was `whining` here and having known him for 34 years I can say that he really isn`t a whiner (But again perhaps you would know better!) The whole ethos of his starting comments seems to have been lost on you but as he`s out golfing at the moment I`m sure he will respond more fully when he returns.

Sharon

[Guest dundeedavie]

no surprises here but i agree that neither modern or R&B should be played at northern venues ...BUT ... i'm not entirely sure northern could survive without them , for me it's not a standalone genre anymore

[Cunnie]

no surprises here but i agree that neither modern or R&B should be played at northern venues ...BUT ... i'm not entirely sure northern could survive without them , for me it's not a standalone genre anymore

Tell you what Davie, you're not far off the mark there fella

Shock horror - Modern scene & R&B scene join forces to save the Northern scene

[Mike]

expected a few fireworks, also expected comments like this, obviously from somebody who hasn't got a clue about me.

John

You obviously know Chris, but I don`t think he has the `benefit` of knowing you. Now far be it from me to jump to conclusions but I sense a tad bit of sarcasm here without you having the advantage of knowledge or facts! `Pulled out of...` is not really the correct terminology but to go into details about why he decided to move on from a soul night which he had been more than instrumental in running over the last 7 years was not the purpose of this thread and not really anyones business! I can`t think that Chris was `whining` here and having known him for 34 years I can say that he really isn`t a whiner (But again perhaps you would know better!) The whole ethos of his starting comments seems to have been lost on you but as he`s out golfing at the moment I`m sure he will respond more fully when he returns.

Sharon

why do you both post under one account called bridget ?

how is anyone supposed to know who is saying what ?

sort it out eh

[Sharon Cooper]

why do you both post under one account called bridget ?

how is anyone supposed to know who is saying what ?

sort it out eh

yes alright we will. I thought that by signing off at the bottom of my posting wasd adequate but we will do as suggested

Sharon

[Mike]

"

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yes alright we will. I thought that by signing off at the bottom of my posting wasd adequate but we will do as suggested

Sharon

yeah right

and all the posts unsigned we are supposed to know automatically that its chris posting as bridget

"it may be me " indeed

just sort it

[Sharon Cooper]

"

yeah right

and all the posts unsigned we are supposed to know automatically that its chris posting as bridget

"it may be me " indeed

just sort it

We are waiting for it to be sorted from your end now and then he can post as himself.

Sharon

[ajb]

how modern are we talking?

70's modern, or 80's , or 90's or up to date date, last couple of years modern?

alan

[Guest Chris53]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

1st the question was

Can somebody tell me how modern soul got to be involved with the northern scene, perhaps i should have added, 'To the extent that it has today'.

2nd

I was'nt having a dig at any particular gig/venue, (what would that prove?) having been to plenty of different ones over the years, and enjoyed them immensely

3rd

Yes Iv'e been to Grantham, which is out & out modern, there you get what you pay for. One of the best nights we've been to just recently was Rugeley where the djs played some modern but mixed it up just perfect has far as I'm concerned.

4th

Actually i prefer to hear the oldies that you don't hear to much these days, like Lewis Clark, Jock Mitchell, Carl Spencer,

but am happy to listen & play different music. I'm particulary fond of Akon at the moment.

5th

Yes I have promoted a soul night where 'modern' was played by lots of our guests including myself.

6th

We go to gigs knowing full well they will play modern, like Willington, and have no problem with that at all, but if it's so great why are venues turning back to the 'retrograde stuff' as implied by an earlier post.

7th

What the hell as it got to do with anybody why I quit promoting Pilsley. I have my reasons and others can only speculate, but i can tell you it wasn't because of modern music.

If I want modern I'll go to a modern venue, if I want oldies i'll go to an oldies venue etc etc. if its AtB fine at least I know what I'm getting.

Edited May 10, 2009 by Chris53

[Guest Beeks]

D I S C O

[Wrongcrowd]

Here we go again

......and no doubt will again very soon..........

....and then again after that.....

......first time I've heard House For Sale called middle of the road Northern...so at least that was interesting...

...Millie wil be pleased

Edited May 10, 2009 by Wrongcrowd

[Hermanthegerman]

D I S C O

[Guest Beeks]

Your R&B DJ

Your 60's Soul DJ

Your Crossover DJ

Your Modern DJ

[Guest gfarrington]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

you get my vote m8

[Guest Phil Richards]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

You are spot on.

What gets to me is going to a northen night and then have to put up with DISCO been played,don't mind some modern but a lot of what get's played is DISCO.

Thats why there are some venues i don't go to,but if you are going to a venue you need to check out who's djing don't you think

[Ian Dewhirst]

I know i don't want to start a big argument, but, can somebody tell me how Modern Soul got to be involved with the Northern scene.

You got out to a Northern Soul night, you pay your money for a Northern night, you sit down, buy a drink, have a chat and listen and dance to both classic, rare and more often than not middle of the road Northern, you know what I mean, In Orbit, House For Sale, etc , etc. Don't mind that too much as long as somebody is brave enough to play something rarer or less well known and then right in the middle of the night you are treated to a hour of 'Modern ' As far as I am concerned the two should never meet. let the modern guys organise their own nights. How many modern nights bang an hours rare northern, or any other northern for that matter, into a modern soul night? None I should think.

Keep `em apart `cause they don't meet, never have and never will.

"House For Sale" is Modern Soul. It was a new release when first played.

Ian D

[Cunnie]

Your Modern DJ

Can tell you now Beeks there's a few Modden DJ's out there who wish they had that much hair, me included

[Rich B]

I always find these threads irresistable!

I started going to "northern" clubs in either December '71 or January '72, thereabouts. It wasn't even called "northern soul" then. Archie Bell's "Here I go again" was being played as a track off a new release import album.

By the time I was a regular at Wigan (early '74) I was dancing to things like the Salvadors etc which were often only 2 or 3 years old at the time. By the end of '74 things like Carstairs, Lou Edwards, Mel Britt etc were monsters, all, again only a couple of years old.

"Modern" has always been played if you take those tunes as a measure. I recall in the late seventies being bemused by people trying to 'stomp' to Todays People - though they clearly thought it was "northern" and were having an excellent time without worrying about when it was made.

And as a final point, I was at the first Nottm Palais Revival (oldies) alldayer in the late 80's, and I heard a couple of guys (who would have been the same sort of age I am now) in thier fifties, say "its not been the same since they stopped playing Howling Wolf"!

Dave Godin always said if we stop listening to new music we'll become the new "Teddy boys" - and how right he was, look at the trend for people to have made the clothes they wore 'back in the day' - bar towels etc.

So, as I, and many others, have said before, its not about the date on the label its what's in the grooves!

Best,

RB

[ajb]

I always find these threads irresistable!

I started going to "northern" clubs in either December '71 or January '72, thereabouts. It wasn't even called "northern soul" then. Archie Bell's "Here I go again" was being played as a track off a new release import album.

By the time I was a regular at Wigan (early '74) I was dancing to things like the Salvadors etc which were often only 2 or 3 years old at the time. By the end of '74 things like Carstairs, Lou Edwards, Mel Britt etc were monsters, all, again only a couple of years old.

"Modern" has always been played if you take those tunes as a measure. I recall in the late seventies being bemused by people trying to 'stomp' to Todays People - though they clearly thought it was "northern" and were having an excellent time without worrying about when it was made.

And as a final point, I was at the first Nottm Palais Revival (oldies) alldayer in the late 80's, and I heard a couple of guys (who would have been the same sort of age I am now) in thier fifties, say "its not been the same since they stopped playing Howling Wolf"!

Dave Godin always said if we stop listening to new music we'll become the new "Teddy boys" - and how right he was, look at the trend for people to have made the clothes they wore 'back in the day' - bar towels etc.

So, as I, and many others, have said before, its not about the date on the label its what's in the grooves!

Best,

RB

finally, some sense

[Ian Dewhirst]

I always find these threads irresistable!

I started going to "northern" clubs in either December '71 or January '72, thereabouts. It wasn't even called "northern soul" then. Archie Bell's "Here I go again" was being played as a track off a new release import album.

By the time I was a regular at Wigan (early '74) I was dancing to things like the Salvadors etc which were often only 2 or 3 years old at the time. By the end of '74 things like Carstairs, Lou Edwards, Mel Britt etc were monsters, all, again only a couple of years old.

"Modern" has always been played if you take those tunes as a measure. I recall in the late seventies being bemused by people trying to 'stomp' to Todays People - though they clearly thought it was "northern" and were having an excellent time without worrying about when it was made.

And as a final point, I was at the first Nottm Palais Revival (oldies) alldayer in the late 80's, and I heard a couple of guys (who would have been the same sort of age I am now) in thier fifties, say "its not been the same since they stopped playing Howling Wolf"!

Dave Godin always said if we stop listening to new music we'll become the new "Teddy boys" - and how right he was, look at the trend for people to have made the clothes they wore 'back in the day' - bar towels etc.

So, as I, and many others, have said before, its not about the date on the label its what's in the grooves!

Best,

RB

Couldn't agree more RB. Plus I'm not sure that people can even define Modern Soul LOL....fact is that so-called 'Modern Soul' has always been played at 'Northern' venues since the scene began. When I came on the scene "This Is The House Where Love Died" - First Choice, "Keep On Keeping On" - N.F. Porter and "Time's A Wasting" - The Fuller Brothers were all new releases.......

Ian D

[Guest dundeedavie]

Couldn't agree more RB. Plus I'm not sure that people can even define Modern Soul LOL....fact is that so-called 'Modern Soul' has always been played at 'Northern' venues since the scene began. When I came on the scene "This Is The House Where Love Died" - First Choice, "Keep On Keeping On" - N.F. Porter and "Time's A Wasting" - The Fuller Brothers were all new releases.......

Ian D

whether people want to admit it or not the "northern soul " scene is retrospective in that (for me) northern soul is 60's music and in saying that 70's is 70's and modern is modern ...remember folks you can employ as much semantics as you like about new releases etc but this is 2009 and not wigan in the mid 70's

[Ian Dewhirst]

whether people want to admit it or not the "northern soul " scene is retrospective in that (for me) northern soul is 60's music and in saying that 70's is 70's and modern is modern ...remember folks you can employ as much semantics as you like about new releases etc but this is 2009 and not wigan in the mid 70's

Bit dangerous that though Davie. A few too many 60's hangovers slipped out in the early 70's to be quite so cut and dried I think. James Lewis and the Case Of Tyme or Johnny Howard modern? Don't think so........

I reckon what's really needed is a proper definition of Modern Soul - I haven't heard a decent definition of it in 40 years........

Ian D