Hello Everyone,

(I'm new to this forum so i guess i'd better introduce myself briefly : i'm french and used to collect rocksteady / early reggae 45's but got rid of 'em recently to concentrate on black american music from the 50's to the 70's, mostly soul and r'n'b)

A Japanese seller has Sam Fletcher's "Think It Over" on a white promo Tollie 45 for sale, and advertise it as original. However, judging by the pictures (wich can be very deceptive...) the label looks suspiciously immaculate on both sides (i'm aware this promo format is available as a bootleg), so i asked him the matrix numbers. They read :

-MR 64-3942-RE 452623X

- MR 64-3943-RE 452623X

So my question is : could anyone compare those numbers to a confirmed original and let me know wether the copy i found is a boot or not ?

Thanks for your help.

  allnight worker said:

Hello Everyone,

(I'm new to this forum so i guess i'd better introduce myself briefly : i'm french and used to collect rocksteady / early reggae 45's but got rid of 'em recently to concentrate on black american music from the 50's to the 70's, mostly soul and r'n'b)

A Japanese seller has Sam Fletcher's "Think It Over" on a white promo Tollie 45 for sale, and advertise it as original. However, judging by the pictures (wich can be very deceptive...) the label looks suspiciously immaculate on both sides (i'm aware this promo format is available as a bootleg), so i asked him the matrix numbers. They read :

-MR 64-3942-RE 452623X

- MR 64-3943-RE 452623X

So my question is : could anyone compare those numbers to a confirmed original and let me know wether the copy i found is a boot or not ?

Thanks for your help.

According to manships bootleg guide it was booted twice

one is yellow from Belguim, with the MR scratched in and a french boot which is white which also has the MR scratched in. The original should have the MR stamped in within a small circle

Hope that helps

  miff said:

According to manships bootleg guide it was booted twice

one is yellow from Belguim, with the MR scratched in and a french boot which is white which also has the MR scratched in. The original should have the MR stamped in within a small circle

Hope that helps

also...originals are pressed on styrene, boots are vinyl

  allnight worker said:

Hello Everyone,

(I'm new to this forum so i guess i'd better introduce myself briefly : i'm french and used to collect rocksteady / early reggae 45's but got rid of 'em recently to concentrate on black american music from the 50's to the 70's, mostly soul and r'n'b)

A Japanese seller has Sam Fletcher's "Think It Over" on a white promo Tollie 45 for sale, and advertise it as original. However, judging by the pictures (wich can be very deceptive...) the label looks suspiciously immaculate on both sides (i'm aware this promo format is available as a bootleg), so i asked him the matrix numbers. They read :

-MR 64-3942-RE 452623X

- MR 64-3943-RE 452623X

So my question is : could anyone compare those numbers to a confirmed original and let me know wether the copy i found is a boot or not ?

Thanks for your help.

The Monarchs Recording 'MR' is stamped with the circle around it in the deadwax. Issued in May 64 the Delta numbers you have listed are correct. If its definitely Styrene I would say its real. Also, I have always found Japanese sellers to be of honest integrity but that is obviously my personal experience with dealings I have had. Is he selling this on ebay or somewhere else? Wouldn't mind having a look but from what youve described.

P.S - If the MR is scratched and not stamped into the deadwax its a bootleg!

  soulman1964 said:

also...originals are pressed on styrene, boots are vinyl

thats not exactly the case i have a yellow issue with the mr stamped in and its vinyl and it has delta no 52623 in the run outs. looks like the delta is the give away if it has it its ok. also i think the white boots were Belgium Domar had loads of them in the 80's he can confirm

What about the PS version the promo ?

How is the record itself ? Is it styrene or vinyl ? White label ? What matrix numbers ?

East Coast-Vinyl-Boxed logo-Yellow label & w/d

West Coast-styrene-Tollie as block text Yellow and w/d also with pic sleeve.

Boot has molded over label.

Perhaps you should post the label pic?

Here's the picture of B side

scan of orig FN.......as has been said before...the MR is stamped.....also theres no X on the delta matrix ...ie 52623 only....which indicates it was the A side i think.... (isnt the font slightly different?)

Edited May 11, 200916 yr by platters 81

Your picture leaves no room for doubt... the font is not the same : it's definitely a boot !

Thanks a lot !

  Alamo said:

The Monarchs Recording 'MR' is stamped with the circle around it in the deadwax. Issued in May 64 the Delta numbers you have listed are correct. If its definitely Styrene I would say its real. Also, I have always found Japanese sellers to be of honest integrity but that is obviously my personal experience with dealings I have had. Is he selling this on ebay or somewhere else? Wouldn't mind having a look but from what youve described.

P.S - If the MR is scratched and not stamped into the deadwax its a bootleg!

Have to agree with the japanese sellers being honest.

I have only ever enquired twice about records and both times the seller was selling it on behalf off someone else,so they asked the original seller if it was a boot or original.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it,both were boots,but at least the seller told me that once he knew

Frecking high prices for boots in Japan,but i think its more a case of them　being deceived when they first bought.