Soul Sams Article In Manifesto

[Baz Atkinson]

Pleased its gone off again always seems to be Bank Holidays lol ,I think perhaps sorting this out privately might of been the best option imo.At the end of the day Sams entitled to his view which imo should be given respect for the sheer gravitas and gusto hes brought to the scene and the numeros sounds hes served up with incredible passion and enthusiasm OVER THE YEARS.

Seems Kevs a decent chap also so bringing it on here opens a can of worms and its not productive,mind you im bored watching hanah montanna with 2 teens sceaming in my ear so its brightened up my day lol.

BAZ A

[Guest Beeks]

I don't know why this reply has been posted on Soul Source and not been directly replied to via Manifesto...it's quite obvious judging from other replies that Sam doesn't come on here so the purpose of this thread is obviously motivated from alternative reasoning

A case of Any publicity is good publicity?

[Guest kev such]

I don't know why this reply has been posted on Soul Source and not been directly replied to via Manifesto...it's quite obvious judging from other replies that Sam doesn't come on here so the purpose of this thread is obviously motivated from alternative reasoning

A case of Any publicity is good publicity?

On the way back from Soul for Heroes this morning, what i wanted to reply was buzzing around in my head. I tried to go to sleep but couldnt get settled. So i typed the post and was in two minds wether to submit it. However in all honesty i didnt know that Sam doesnt come on SoulSource. I dont know the nickname for every member on here. I presumed obviously wrongly that this site and Manifesto were in some way about the same subject and people that read Manifesto would certainly also come on this site. I felt that the article was not putting the best light on the Cream Cracker, Sam having not attended. Admittedly he was replying with his own observations to a previous article, which IS his want. However far short of sitting up all night writing it in ink and then probably spilling coffee onto it before i sent it off to Manifesto. I came onto Soulsource and typed away. Believe me Beeks it was not put up by myself as a cheap publicity stunt. Would you say the same if i had put it up after my next event?

Kev

Edited May 4, 2009 by kev such

[paup-ine]

Why, how would he know? And if he did know, he'd join and reply. I know places who've had discussions about me, I've never even met them or don't even know them, Just let them get on with it is the best thing to do.

I just don't like people talking behind peoples backs thats all. yes I suppose he could join, and then he could reply.

P

[Pete S]

I just don't like people talking behind peoples backs thats all. yes I suppose he could join, and then he could reply.

P

By the way, we were talking about you the other day and....oh...

[paup-ine]

By the way, we were talking about you the other day and....oh...

[Pauldonnelly]

i think that you know your venues Kev and what works for it.

if your aspirations are reflective of those who pay to attend then you are most certainly doing something right.

Don't let the written words of others affect you if you have confidence in the reasons for what you are doing mate.

just keep those regulars 'cream crackered' Kev and ignore outside influences, and maybe invite Mr.Barnfather down to experience the cram cracker first hand, to talk to the regulars and to you, as i well know, sometimes peoples words or actions can be misperceived by others.

p.s. nice set at soul for heroes mush

good post.

ps, you're not allowed to use the word mush unless you were dragged up the south side of the Nene.

[Paul-s]

I wouldn't let it bother you mate. MANIFESTO is a lads mag...if your not one of the lads (clique) you dont get in it! Hence its opinions, reviews and articles are generally so out of touch, or cater only for venues they promote or have an interest in, that its a boring and irrelevent read...for me anyway. I never see Tim or Sam at a venue unless they are djing...consequently they convey a very limited and narrow perspective of the soul scene. They dont seem to venture out as punters. You never see them popping in to check out small venues just to see whats going and that puts them well out of touch with a scene that is constantly moving, changing and developing. Sam I have to say, is ahead of Tim (you never see Tim out!)......as i said, dont pay any attention to it as its of NO consequence.

[Ted Massey]

expect another 2 pages now

[Pete S]

I wouldn't let it bother you mate. MANIFESTO is a lads mag...if your not one of the lads (clique) you dont get in it! Hence its opinions, reviews and articles are generally so out of touch, or cater only for venues they promote or have an interest in, that its a boring and irrelevent read...for me anyway. I never see Tim or Sam at a venue unless they are djing...consequently they convey a very limited and narrow perspective of the soul scene. They dont seem to venture out as punters. You never see them popping in to check out small venues just to see whats going and that puts them well out of touch with a scene that is constantly moving, changing and developing. Sam I have to say, is ahead of Tim (you never see Tim out!)......as i said, dont pay any attention to it as its of NO consequence.

Manifesto has always been like that, right from the start, one or two articles but mainly about people they know.

For once - I agree with Paul S.

[Guest James Trouble]

Should we consider the mass culling of stranded sheep?

Edited May 5, 2009 by James Trouble

[Dave]

Manifesto has always been like that, right from the start, one or two articles but mainly about people they know.

For once - I agree with Paul S.

Are you feeling ok Pete?

[Guest Bearsy]

I wouldn't let it bother you mate. MANIFESTO is a lads mag...if your not one of the lads (clique) you dont get in it! Hence its opinions, reviews and articles are generally so out of touch, or cater only for venues they promote or have an interest in, that its a boring and irrelevent read...for me anyway. I never see Tim or Sam at a venue unless they are djing...consequently they convey a very limited and narrow perspective of the soul scene. They dont seem to venture out as punters. You never see them popping in to check out small venues just to see whats going and that puts them well out of touch with a scene that is constantly moving, changing and developing. Sam I have to say, is ahead of Tim (you never see Tim out!)......as i said, dont pay any attention to it as its of NO consequence.

I must admit that ive never read Manifesto and probably never wiil, if there is anything you need to know you will find out on here

[Pete S]

Are you feeling ok Pete?

[Glynthornhill]

Look at the way Sam is holding the piece of vinyl. No way should a record collector put his mits all over the vinyl !!!- say no more.

[Guest smudgesmith]

Can we do this every weekend..............just cancelled delivery of my sunday papers...............great read

[corby john]

I have got to know Kev very well over the past few years & we would have been travelling with him to the Soul For Heroes do if my wife had felt better.

We have different opinions on numerous things Soulful, but hey...........maybe that's why we gel?

After reading the points made here, all i can say is Kev IS guilty of the following:

1. A less than well-thought out piece put into Manifesto in the first place e.g. " i won't pay the DJ'S" etc

2. A hasty reply to Sam's points in the next issue of Manifesto

3. A "different" understanding as to what constitutes Modern Soul these days.

4. A tendancy to let "Little" things get to him e.g "A Bulldog chewing a wasp" scenario.

Kev has over the past 4 years or so has established a very well attended Soul night, that caters in the main for those who prefer the "Oldies" genre. However, he has also tried to get away from the "same old same old" tunes that get played to death every week around the country.

His own collection has changed dramatically over this time & he has been known to spin one or two tunes that have been labelled as Modern Soul

I go to the Cream Cracker, as it's local for me, & i get to see many friends there. Musically, it has got a lot better, but still falls short in the " X-over /Modern" dept for me personally, but always a good night.

An easy way to fix this is to have an "Across the board" policy where it does what it says on the tin.......something for everyone!!

Kev................chill out brother...............is it an ex-soldier thing? . Remember the old saying........"I may not agree with your opinion...........but i will fight for the right for you to have one" !!

cheers,

John Mc.

[macca]

The British Soul scene is far too tribal top accept a truly across the board music policy like we see on t' continent.

They even have tables and chairs at venues as well. Most bizarre.

[Guest gordon russell]

about a year or so ago Kev asked me if i was up for a guest spot at Cream Cracker and as ive not been to CC before i asked the music policy and what the punters mainly like etc etc, Kev informed me that it was mainly known of 60s, R&B and early 70s/crossover that his punters preferred but are also open to something new or different but preferbly not modern, what do punters know who knows until you try anyway i said yes i fancy doing a spot for you at CC and im on at the end of this month, Kev has not told me what to play but given me a good idea of what HIS Event is about, its up to me on the night to give him what he has hired me for and that is to make his crowd go home Cream Crackered and happy as i take it that being the promoter he kind of knows what works for his event,

things can come accross different to how they read so i just wanted to let you lot know that Kev aint a dictator but a promoter that cares passionately about his event and wants to do it his way, we all have a choice so just enjoy yours,

ps, i aint Kevs best buddy pal either as i only met him for the first time last month and yeah he is a nice fella just like Sam

is he the same kev that borrowed a mates avatar site to supposedly sell some tunes on the QT,but then used said site to absolutely slag off the PEMBERTON CENTRE,calling it and it's dj's/promoters all sorts of nasty names.Or is it the same kev that went to WE GOT SOUL in wellingborough and told someone that the doo was shite and almost ended up in a fight with steve philis the promoter and top dj,or was that a differant kev......remember refrain from violent and impetuous ways (Mr enoeda R.I.P )

Edited May 5, 2009 by gordon russell

[Guest kev such]

is he the same kev that borrowed a mates avatar site to supposedly sell some tunes on the QT,but then used said site to absolutely slag off the PEMBERTON CENTRE,calling it and it's dj's/promoters all sorts of nasty names.Or is it the same kev that went to WE GOT SOUL in wellingborough and told someone that the doo was shite and almost ended up in a fight with steve philis the promoter and top dj,or was that a differant kev......remember refrain from violent and impetuous ways (Mr enoeda R.I.P )

Im not going to get into a keyboard slanging match with you Terry.

Firstly. I didnt say or request the "mates avatar" site to sell some records on the QT. The person in question knew what was going on. Admittedly it was childish and immature. But has now been dealt with.

Secondly. Jackie Allsorts told me months previous that he was thinking about closing down "We got Soul". I guested at said venue and in the Gents i asked him if he had changed his mind? He said he was still considering it. Steve Phyllis's stepson overheard and told Steve when he went back into the hall. Steve Phyllis said something over the mike aimed at me. I then challenged his son, who rightly so, Steve defended by saying he would and i quote "Rip my head off and shit down the hole" So the hassle only started when i gave him the opportunity and he decided against it. Strangely Jackie has just announced that he has closed "We got Soul". I NEVER said the do was shit, crap or any other thing.

I really dont give a monkey's chuff what you say or who you say it about, however if you are going to post for F***S sake get the bloody thing correct.

Kev

Edited May 5, 2009 by kev such