Guest nickw Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 I have a copy on London American (HL 10070) I have come across it on Revilot, Stateside, Quality and Million but never London. Anyone know anything about it at all? Cheers Nick
Guest nickw Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 Thanks I will go take look, I have just uploaded a picture here (upside down unfortunately!)
Premium Stuff Posted June 15, 2014 Posted June 15, 2014 I have turned it the right way round for you. Cheers Richard 1
dthedrug Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Hi All .... This is indeed a great find in the history of record collecting in the UK, the first thing to be done is to get the record looked at by a top collector of UK LONDON Records, The picture is poor, if I had this record and was going to post it on SOUL SOURCE it would be with both sides, close up of matrix close up on labels,& sound clips of both sides, that's what I would do, rather than the picture put in, I think that if you could improve on the posting, I would be more interested in this find, & keep a level head about it, In saying this there is evidence that the issue labels had been printed, we know that the record was pressed on a LONDON DEMO, it would not be a hard job putting a label onto a demo, this is why it needs independent source to look at it, Printing tech has come a long way over the last 20 years, If proved to be right it seems you have the rarest UK SOUL RECORD worth £5K. MORE INFO PLEASE DAVE KILWORTH
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Hi Dave, the sort of posting I was hopefully of. When I find my camera I will post higher res pictures. What I can say is that this is from a large collection of 45s that I bought from the estate of a deceased Decca pressing plant employee. All of the records were unplayed with a large number of rare - not necessarily valuable - 60s psych rock/freak beat (as expected on blue Decca). It would suggest that the employee was not a collector as such, merely taking those he could have and then storing them in numbers untouched for decades, to be found on his death. I have no reason to suppose this is not the real deal. More later.
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Likewise, the chances after all these years is minus 1 .
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 You guys could be absolutely right. I know a bit about records but I would never claim to be any expert.
Popular Post Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Popular Post Posted June 16, 2014 Sorry about being incredulous but when you've been collecting British as long as some of us have, and a record known to previously not exist turns up, people are going to be a little sceptical. This is a record that's been talked about for nearly 50 years and not one single copy has ever been found. If you have found it - massive congratulations, you have the rarest UK record ever made I should think. 6
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Maybe it was pressed up for issue and they were supposedly all destroyed a la the Frank Wilsons.
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Sorry about being incredulous but when you've been collecting British as long as some of us have, and a record known to previously not exist turns up, people are going to be a little sceptical. This is a record that's been talked about for nearly 50 years and not one single copy has ever been found. If you have found it - massive congratulations, you have the rarest UK record ever made I should think. A bit like that Bunky copy of Nolan Chance you mean ?
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 A bit like that Bunky copy of Nolan Chance you mean ? That was known and a copy or two copies were around though. 1
Sammy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Cool. Not that I'm into collecting UK labels, but nevertheless cool... :-)
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 One point and I'm no UK label expert. Did London Demos have different matrix detail than the equivalent issue ?.
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Hey Pete I absolutely understand, I have been collecting records for nigh on 50 years myself. I am hoping with the help and knowledge of all you guys I can get an answer one way or the other though
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 One point and I'm no UK label expert. Did London Demos have different matrix detail than the equivalent issue ?. We don't know because no one has ever seen an issue to compare it - but I would have thought they'd be the same to be honest. It'll have the inverted number above the calatogue number in the run off. 1
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 We don't know because no one has ever seen an issue to compare it - but I would have thought they'd be the same to be honest. It'll have the inverted number above the calatogue number in the run off. I meant other London releases where the issue and demo can be compared. I'm sure Dave kil will have some on both formats maybe he can have a look.
SteveM Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 It's not the best photo but the top right of the label looks a bit grubby rather than unplayed.
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 It's not the best photo but the top right of the label looks a bit grubby rather than unplayed. Think all will be revealed when a decent photo goes up.
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 London Demo has the same matrix as the issue. Ok, that's one avenue of investigation knackered then.
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I have a copy on London American (HL 10070) I have come across it on Revilot, Stateside, Quality and Million but never London. Anyone know anything about it at all? Cheers Nick IF IF IF it turns out to a genuine pukka issue will you keep it or sell it ?
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Well there's a question. I really don not want to get ahead of the situation. I am happy its a genuine record but whether it is "the" missing record remains to be seen. They do say everything has its price but at the moment my heart tells me that should it be genuine, it should be pride of place in my collection
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 As you say, with a big IF ?, then what is its future, keep or sell ?
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Heard there is a silver top Eire copy, but once again, never seen.
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Well there's a question. I really don not want to get ahead of the situation. I am happy its a genuine record but whether it is "the" missing record remains to be seen. They do say everything has its price but at the moment my heart tells me that should it be genuine, it should be pride of place in my collection Would it be considered OVO, oh shit why did I say that ?. 1 1
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Heard there is a silver top Eire copy, but once again, never seen. At one Brighton record fair someone was supposed to have found a Dutch London issue...nobody saw it
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Whether for sale or not, some more evidence to substantiate its existence first please !
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 A & B side images plus matrix pics here I am not great with a camera and there is some reflection but see if they are any help!
Popular Post Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Popular Post Posted June 16, 2014 A & B side images plus matrix pics here I am not great with a camera and there is some reflection but see if they are any help! That's enough evidence for me. Congratulations Nick. You've found the rarest British soul record of all time. 14
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If that is the case, I feel a little humble and without wishing to sound a wimp, very slightly emotional
Samplat Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If you decide to sell it you would probably best to auction it. There will be a few after it including myself
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If that is the case, I feel a little humble and without wishing to sound a wimp, very slightly emotional I should book your holiday now, you'll get 10K for that if you auction it.
Steve Foran Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 F***ing Hell. ??!!!! Fantastic!! Well done Nick!
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Absolutely stunned! What a lovely find, Nick! And I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that as far as UK soul releases go, this has got to be the find of the century so far! Would it not be fair to dismiss the so-called Irish and Dutch issues as mere conspiracy theories until proof turns up (as if)? Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R 1
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I may need a drink! This is rarer than Frank Wilson in my opinion. I posted a couple of your pics on Facebook and nobody can believe it. Hardened collectors are sobbing at the sight of it It's the find of a lifetime. I'm not in the slightest bit jealous. Rope anyone??? 2
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I need somewhere safe for it now.....under the mattress, in the airing cupboard I think I knew it was the one but just did not want to believe it with my own eyes, bit shocked tbh!
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Thanks for for your knowledge Pete.......I so want to play it again but have restrained myself so far and consoled myself by staring at it!
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Wow,Holy Grail or what !!!! I would not recommend warming it up and moulding it into a drinking vessel. Cant be 100% sure, but it may affect its value. 1
Popular Post Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Popular Post Posted June 16, 2014 Thanks for for your knowledge Pete.......I so want to play it again but have restrained myself so far and consoled myself by staring at it! This is the problem when you get a super super rare record like that - you so want to keep it, but me, I always sell - always - because at the end of the day, it's just a piece of plastic which could by my family an awful lot of happiness, and I'll just buy a £5 reissue. 1 4
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Thanks for for your knowledge Pete.......I so want to play it again but have restrained myself so far and consoled myself by staring at it! Forget playing it, you cant even risk marking it in any way.
Guest nickw Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I have it on reissue so This is the problem when you get a super super rare record like that - you so want to keep it, but me, I always sell - always - because at the end of the day, it's just a piece of plastic which could by my family an awful lot of happiness, and I'll just buy a £5 reissue. Initially I had every intention of keeping it and having thesmug satisfaction of knowing I had the only one in the world - so far anyway - but I can absolutely see you viewpoint Pete and at some point I am sure the pot of gold will become a huge temptation and as you say, I have been playing the reissues for years anyway!
Pete Eccles Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 This is Like Del and Rodneys 'Victorian Egg Timer' moment, 2
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