Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) As there's another current thread about a Brenda Lee Jones 45 & that 'style setter' Cliff Steele recently featured the Brenda Jones & Coconut Love track on his radio show, thought I'd bring her up ... This topic may well have been 'done to death' on here in the past ......if so, please feel free to point me in the direction of the best original thread ...... ....... BUT JUST IN CASE IT AIN'T ........ .... here are a few 45's by a / the Brenda (Lee) Jones ....... Brenda was recording from quite an early stage (1962/63?) as half of Ohio duo Dean & Jean (45's on Rust) ...... solo wise there was also ..... RU-JAC #08: BRENDA JONES -- Let's Go Back To School / Can't You See (1963; US) RUST # 5112; BRENDA LEE JONES -- Thread Your Needle / You're The Love Of My Life (1966; US) IMPERIAL # 66440: LONDON FOGG & THE CONTINENTALS FEAT. BRENDA LEE JONES -- Easy Mover/ Trippin' (1969; US) MERCURY # 73482; BRENDA JONES -- Super Stroke / Big Mistake (1974; US) MERCURY # 73645: BRENDA JONES WITH COCONUT LOVE -- I Am The Other Woman / Good Thing (What It Is) (1974; US) USA # 8 BRENDA LEE JONES --You're The Love Of My Life / Thread Your Needle (1975; UK) FLYING DUTCHMAN # 10671: BRENDA JONES WITH GROOVE HOLMES -- This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) / This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) (1976 US) The 1st 45 above, on Baltimore label Ru-jac, is by a lady who was a regular on the Baltimore club scene around 1963/64/65 & 'locals' there think of her as being Baltimore based but as she originally came from Ohio & seemed to end up in New York, I'm not to sure how everything fits together & if there was actually more than one Brenda Jones singing soul back then. As she recorded with Groove Holmes in 1976, you would have thought that there would be some info out there on her as jazz music people seem to research / document everything of interest. I have some club ad photos of the Ru-Jac / Baltimore Brenda Jones from around 1964 & she does seem to resemble the Brenda Lee Jones who started out in Dean & Jean. Anyone know for sure if all the above recordings are by the same lady ? Edited August 3, 2012 by 45cellar
boba Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 I don't know much about her (I like the deep side on that coconut love 45 even though there's no group...) but I have a 45 by some new york funk group where someone pencilled in "vocals by the late great brenda jones", I will try to find it and scan it.
Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 Bob, that group were most probably the Buckeye Politicians (also from Ohio) ...
Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 BTW, in the above I have put a piccy of Balt's Brenda Jones next to a piccy of Dean & Jean, the duo that Ohio's Brenda Lee Jones got her start with. They do look similar (facially) to me.
Benji Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 RUST # 5112; BRENDA LEE JONES -- Thread Your Needle / You're The Love Of My Life (1966; US) This also came out in Italy. With a picture sleeve but unfortunately not a pic of Brenda
Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 With regard to the Buckeye Politicians (who had earlier gone by the name of the Soul Partners) ...... they very nearly made it big ...... They were spotted in New York by a guy from EMI. He smooth talked them & flew em over to the UK. Sent em into Abbey Rd & a whole album was cut; tipped for the top. The group headed back to New York to promote the new stuff and a 45 was released here on EMI. The group's US management wanted the album master tapes so they were put on a plane to New York ... ..... ........ AND DISAPPEARED COMPLETELY. No backup tapes had been kept & so all their hard work in the London studio went to waste. The group got fed up & their career tailed off and the guys ended up heading home to Ohio for normal day jobs. .......... SAD TALE
boba Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 that london fogg record you have listed above also came out on a local label before being picked up nationally. I don't remember the name right now, I have it, it's a gold label with some stars on it.
Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 Bob, RE: london fogg record you have listed above also came out on a local label I'd be interested to know where the local label was based out of ... NY state, Ohio , ??...
pikeys dog Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 The BLJ who recorded 'You're the one love of my life' was definately half of Dean and Jean, as it's flipside 'thread your needle' was also put out by them as a duo (exact same cut).
Guest trickbag Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 that london fogg record you have listed above also came out on a local label before being picked up nationally. I don't remember the name right now, I have it, it's a gold label with some stars on it. golden stars dayton ricky.
Roburt Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) So London Fogg were also an Ohio group .... seems to fit in well with the other stuff she did that was Ohio related. Info (off the net) on them .... ... London Fogg and the Continentals appears to be two groups - the band London Fogg and the vocal group the Contintentals. They were a 'Salt and Pepper' band (black singers, white band). In 1969 the band released their one and only 45 on a local label, Gold Stars. The A-side, "Easy Mover", was written by Dayton's Brenda Lee Jones (Jean of Dean and Jean, of course), and it's possible she sings it, but that is unconfirmed. The song was a local hit and picked up by Imperial for national release, with the band name shortened to London Fogg. ..... MORE INFO ..... .... London Fog (one "G", the band) and the Continentals (the singers). These groups came together during high school in Dayton (unusual in that they were a racially integrated band), and recorded their single in 1969. The Continentals were Quinn Moorman, Bozie Black, Loretta Reid (lead vocal on 'Easy Mover') and John Mortimer. The London Fog were Gary Kaiser (organ), Bud Kraft and Ed Toll (gtr), Vince DiSalvo (dr), Dan Connaughton (bass), Tony Giambrone and Gary Moon (tenor sax), Robert Pennington (trombone) and Mike Riley (alto sax). Edited June 13, 2012 by Roburt
John Benson Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 FLYING DUTCHMAN # 10671: BRENDA JONES WITH GROOVE HOLMES -- This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) / This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) (1976 US) This one also got a UK release on RCA
Roburt Posted June 18, 2012 Author Posted June 18, 2012 Mentioned that one in my opening post JB ... though I didn't mention it's UK release.
Keithw Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) didnt she do a version of--"my heart needs a break " the linda jones song ? its on SSI Edited June 18, 2012 by keithw
Keithw Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 yeah - couldnt afford to go- not selling enough tunes petrol n record tables not cheap still Prestatyn is a lot nearer
John Benson Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 FLYING DUTCHMAN # 10671: BRENDA JONES WITH GROOVE HOLMES -- This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) / This Is The Me Me (Not The You You) (1976 US) This one also got a UK release on RCA This was supposed to be only mentioning the fact it was also a UK release but somehow the 'quote' bit didn't show up!
45cellar Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 FRANCE : I suspect that being a French release there's a Picture Sleeve for this.
gazman Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 What's a realistic value for this one these days , mint mercury demo? thanks gary
bri pinch Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 actually finding one in mint condition could prove quite tricky, quite a few used copies about and some with reversed labels
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 actually finding one in mint condition could prove quite tricky, quite a few used copies about and some with reversed labels Looking at the post ,I would wager Gary already has one ? Red issues are hard to find though and I've been told there is also a silver mercury copy ?
boba Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 there is a rare chicago record that is brenda jones doing this song under her real name (she was from Dayton, OH)... it's totally different, it's not DJable but a really nice mellow sound, maybe recorded live
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 there is a rare chicago record that is brenda jones doing this song under her real name (she was from Dayton, OH)... it's totally different, it's not DJable but a really nice mellow sound, maybe recorded live Only ever seen it for sale once Bob ,and it was a poor copy Jean Lee - unwed mother ( Cedric) from Chicago Illinois Bob Lovely version too ,but did'nt know it was Brenda Jones https://www.midwest45s.org/IllinoisSoul/JeanLee_UnwedMother_Cedric_C3306b_clip.mp3 3
Jordirip Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Only ever seen it for sale once Bob ,and it was a poor copy Jean Lee - unwed mother ( Cedric) from Chicago Illinois Bob Lovely version too ,but did'nt know it was Brenda Jones https://www.midwest45s.org/IllinoisSoul/JeanLee_UnwedMother_Cedric_C3306b_clip.mp3 That's really nice!!
Roburt Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) BUMP .... as we have a new thread (in 'Look At Your Box') about Brenda's "Big Mistake" 45. Edited August 2, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted August 2, 2012 Author Posted August 2, 2012 "Big Mistake" got a mention (& play) in a post started about 6 weeks ago in 'All About The Soul'.
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 That's really nice!! Not as floor friendly as "Big Mistake " but sublime listening and heart tugging eh Jordi "Big Mistake" got a mention (& play) in a post started about 6 weeks ago in 'All About The Soul'. There was also a post in wants a while back from a guy who knew Brenda personally ,and without checking the thread in all about soul ,he did clarify that Brenda never wrote the song about a child she gave away ...she wrote it about a girl she knew who once gave up her child for adoption But listening to the Jean Lee on Cedric ,she changed the lyrics to the original song when she sang B.M on Mercury
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Not as floor friendly as "Big Mistake " but sublime listening and heart tugging eh Jordi There was also a post in wants a while back from a guy who knew Brenda personally ,and without checking the thread in all about soul ,he did clarify that Brenda never wrote the song about a child she gave away ...she wrote it about a girl she knew who once gave up her child for adoption But listening to the Jean Lee on Cedric ,she changed the lyrics to the original song when she sang B.M on Mercury As if by magic ,here is the original quote from Jim Maddox :- " I was a personal friend of Brenda Melson's for the last 13 years of her life. There seems to be some misunderstandings about some of the info I have posted about Brenda on "Youtube". She did not have a child out of wedlock nor give him up for adoption. Brenda was married from 1956 on until her husband died, which was about 1997. She couldn't conceive, so she and her husband adopted an infant boy in 1968. Brenda was not the Brenda Jones who recorded for SSI. Brenda never recorded for them. Nor was she the Jean Lee who recorded for Cedric. Brenda took a leave of absence from the music business from 1968-1971 to raise her son. She started a touring band called Jean Lee and the 71' Now. The next year, she renamed it the 72' Now. She realised the futility of that, so she renamed it Coconut Love. Nor did Brenda neglect her son. When she toured, she would bring Chuck with her during summer vacations and school breaks. Chuck aways felt unwanted, and Brenda said it was the rejection he felt over the adoption. She wanted to sympathise with him, so she wrote "Big Mistake" in 1974 for him. Fuzzy guitars were the sound of the day, so I feel the guitars were part of the original mix. Brenda wrote the lyrics through the viewpoint of Chuck's biological mother. The person who is speaking in the song is not Brenda. This is a very touching song, but alas, it didn't meet its intention. Her son had a troubled growing-up." If this info is correct ..it throws a spanner into the theory that she wrote and sang the record Bob was talkin about ???? Edited August 2, 2012 by NEV 1
Guest Brett F Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 didnt she do a version of--"my heart needs a break " the linda jones song ? its on SSI Well a Brenda Jones did release the 45' (not sure if it's the same person ), and that version (for me ) lacks totally everything that makes Linda Jones version one of the truly great records, it proves just how strong a vocal talent Linda Jones was, and don't get me wrong i have 'Big Mistake' and love that tune, but the SSI is very poor in my opinion. Brett
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Well a Brenda Jones did release the 45' (not sure if it's the same person ), and that version (for me ) lacks totally everything that makes Linda Jones version one of the truly great records, it proves just how strong a vocal talent Linda Jones was, and don't get me wrong i have 'Big Mistake' and love that tune, but the SSI is very poor in my opinion. Brett Hi Brett et al ,here is a quote that ive just posted in "LOOK AT YOUR BOX " regarding Brenda Jones on Mercury ,wrote by Jim Maddox " I was a personal friend of Brenda Melson's for the last 13 years of her life. There seems to be some misunderstandings about some of the info I have posted about Brenda on "Youtube". She did not have a child out of wedlock nor give him up for adoption. Brenda was married from 1956 on until her husband died, which was about 1997. She couldn't conceive, so she and her husband adopted an infant boy in 1968. Brenda was not the Brenda Jones who recorded for SSI. Brenda never recorded for them. Nor was she the Jean Lee who recorded for Cedric. Brenda took a leave of absence from the music business from 1968-1971 to raise her son. She started a touring band called Jean Lee and the 71' Now. The next year, she renamed it the 72' Now. She realised the futility of that, so she renamed it Coconut Love. Nor did Brenda neglect her son. When she toured, she would bring Chuck with her during summer vacations and school breaks. Chuck aways felt unwanted, and Brenda said it was the rejection he felt over the adoption. She wanted to sympathise with him, so she wrote "Big Mistake" in 1974 for him. Fuzzy guitars were the sound of the day, so I feel the guitars were part of the original mix. Brenda wrote the lyrics through the viewpoint of Chuck's biological mother. The person who is speaking in the song is not Brenda. This is a very touching song, but alas, it didn't meet its intention. Her son had a troubled growing-up." 1
gazman Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Looking at the post ,I would wager Gary already has one ? Red issues are hard to find though and I've been told there is also a silver mercury copy ? Nev You're right. the copy I have is actually unplayed, which I guess is pretty unusual. I see there is M- copy for sale on ebay at the moment,will be interesting to see how it fares. gary
gazman Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Only ever seen it for sale once Bob ,and it was a poor copy Jean Lee - unwed mother ( Cedric) from Chicago Illinois Bob Lovely version too ,but did'nt know it was Brenda Jones https://www.midwest45s.org/IllinoisSoul/JeanLee_UnwedMother_Cedric_C3306b_clip.mp3 LOVELY indeed! gary
Anais nin Carms Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Only ever seen it for sale once Bob ,and it was a poor copy Jean Lee - unwed mother ( Cedric) from Chicago Illinois Bob Lovely version too ,but did'nt know it was Brenda Jones https://www.midwest45s.org/IllinoisSoul/JeanLee_UnwedMother_Cedric_C3306b_clip.mp3 Wow ! love it
NEV Posted August 2, 2012 Posted August 2, 2012 Ah yes ...knew that would be to your taste Carms Did you ever get the mercury 45 ?
boba Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Hi Brett et al ,here is a quote that ive just posted in "LOOK AT YOUR BOX " regarding Brenda Jones on Mercury ,wrote by Jim Maddox " I was a personal friend of Brenda Melson's for the last 13 years of her life. There seems to be some misunderstandings about some of the info I have posted about Brenda on "Youtube". She did not have a child out of wedlock nor give him up for adoption. Brenda was married from 1956 on until her husband died, which was about 1997. She couldn't conceive, so she and her husband adopted an infant boy in 1968. Brenda was not the Brenda Jones who recorded for SSI. Brenda never recorded for them. Nor was she the Jean Lee who recorded for Cedric. Brenda took a leave of absence from the music business from 1968-1971 to raise her son. She started a touring band called Jean Lee and the 71' Now. The next year, she renamed it the 72' Now. She realised the futility of that, so she renamed it Coconut Love. Nor did Brenda neglect her son. When she toured, she would bring Chuck with her during summer vacations and school breaks. Chuck aways felt unwanted, and Brenda said it was the rejection he felt over the adoption. She wanted to sympathise with him, so she wrote "Big Mistake" in 1974 for him. Fuzzy guitars were the sound of the day, so I feel the guitars were part of the original mix. Brenda wrote the lyrics through the viewpoint of Chuck's biological mother. The person who is speaking in the song is not Brenda. This is a very touching song, but alas, it didn't meet its intention. Her son had a troubled growing-up." I didn't say that Jean Lee is Brenda based on just speculation (even though it is the same song and the voices match, so it's not out-of-nowhere speculation). I never even noticed it was the same song until someone pointed it out to me like a week ago and had some inside info, I will ask him more details. I think the poster may not have heard the cedric record and just said it wasn't her.
NEV Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Bob ,for what it's worth ,I am a bit confused at how Jim says she is /was not Jean Lee ,yet performed as Jean Lee 71 now ?? Very odd ??
boba Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Bob ,for what it's worth ,I am a bit confused at how Jim says she is /was not Jean Lee ,yet performed as Jean Lee 71 now ?? Very odd ?? he says she wasn't "the jean lee that recorded for cedric". Even though her name is Jean Lee, the song is the same song as she does (although titled differently), and the voice is identical. I think he just wasn't aware of the cedric record because it is very obscure.
Roburt Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) Pure speculation .... but could she have cut an early demo of the song & then forgotten about the fact that a 'rudimentary master tape' might be 'floating about' out there when she re-recorded the song (with full backing & production effort) for the 45 that was released on Mercury. If that was what happened, someone could easily have shopped the original master tape to that little Chicago label without her even knowing. Maybe that's why the 'little label' effort has a different title .... that might have been the song's 'early' working title OR the guys shopping the tape to the people who put out that 45 could have used a different song title in an effort to ensure they weren't found out. These happenings bring to mind the situation surrounding the Tobi Lark / Tobi Legend tale. Edited August 3, 2012 by Roburt
boba Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Jimmy Vanleer's cedric is already known for putting out material that at least one artist (don gardner) doesn't remember. who knows what actually went down.
Dave Pinch Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 the two versions of big mistake on cedric and mercury are 100% the same singer
Roburt Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Jimmy Vanleer's cedric is already known for putting out material that at least one artist (don gardner) doesn't remember. who knows what actually went down. I agree Bob. I had a couple of long chats with Don Gardner about his 'rare 45's' out of non-East Coast locations. He had no idea that they ever existed but did say that he had sent copies of those tracks to Jimmy to keep him 'up to date' on Don's work (with a view to Jimmy getting Don some live gigs in Chicago & the like) ....... part of the story ......... Don's existing profile in Chicago resulted in him sending copies of his new cuts to his friend, local booking agent, Jimmy Vanleer. Jimmy had just started his Sedgrick / Cedric Record label & so, without Don's knowledge or consent he put some of Don's tracks out on 45. Jimmy's record company was just finding its feet, so although Don's releases, "Cheating Kind" and "Is This Really Love" were top quality outings, they didn't enjoy any commercial success. It is believed Jimmy Vanleer was also the linkman in the process that resulted in Don having a release on Monk Higgin's Chicago based Sack label as Don didn't even know of Monk, never mind send / lease tracks to him. At Xmas 69, Don decided to give up touring. Her got into construction & was hired by Curtis Mayfield to build him a pool at his Atlanta house. The pair got on so well, Don was hired to be Curtis's road manager, a job he retained for much of the 70's.
boba Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 there's also the issue of artists often not remembering certain things that happened. Did you get a sense of Don's memory of details, e.g., was he really sharp about stuff? "my baby like to boogaloo" was a big hit in chicago btw.
Roburt Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 Don was still 'sharp' & was totally amazed when shown copies of his Cedric & Sack 45's ..... He genuinely hadn't realised they had ever been released (& if they had been they should have escaped on Tru-Glo-Town, Botanic or Mr. G in his opinion.) "my baby like to boogaloo" was popular in a lot of US cities, which I guess is why the Emperors cover was made.
Steve G Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I haven't researched this yet, and I will get round to it, but who was Brenda J Jones (Frank Augustus managed) who did "Point of No Return" in New York?
Roburt Posted August 3, 2012 Author Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) The guys involved on that Wand 45 were John Bennings, Frank Augustus, John Bowden & Michael Wright. John Bennings & Frank Augustus wrote the song & both have a good body of work registered with BMI (writing 10+ songs together). John Bennings has 59 songs listed in all (most solo efforts with no co-writers). Frank Augustus has 57 songs listed, some under the name of George Butcher. He wrote in conjunction with the likes of Clyde Otis, Freddy Briggs, Johnny Northern, Doris Troy, J J Jackson, Brook Benton, Don Covay, Wes Farrell, etc. He co-wrote "Come Tomorrow" that Manfred Mann had a hit with. John Bowden (producer on the session) also has numerous songs registered with BMI (182) including ones written with Mattie Moultrie & Clarence Fountain). Many are gospel songs. Edited August 3, 2012 by Roburt
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